Sex education and religion

[Barlow]

I think the kids at QEII missed a trick here:

 

[hissingsid]

So how long is this pantomime going to go on for.   How much are these special investigators being paid…..how long does it take to question a classroom of say 30 kids all  in situ  the rest have been done 8 teachers and one guest speaker who is not a Drag Artist but does drag for a hobby.    It is a ridiculous situation and should have been sorted swiftly.

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

So how long is this pantomime going to go on for.   How much are these special investigators being paid…..how long does it take to question a classroom of say 30 kids all  in situ  the rest have been done 8 teachers and one guest speaker who is not a Drag Artist but does drag for a hobby.    It is a ridiculous situation and should have been sorted swiftly.

That bit of the allegations has been reported on.  It is the investigation into how the curriculum was implemented and delivered that is yet to be reported.

[hissingsid]

The children have not yet been interviewed as one MHK revealed in Tynwald so aspects of that bit of the allegations have been reported on but until everyone present has been interviewed as to what was said etc it cannot be classed as a wrap.   The contents of the guest speaker’s talk and the childrens take on it need to be covered properly .

[Kopek]

12 minutes ago, Gladys said:

.how long does it take to question a classroom of say 30 kids all  in situ

Well, it depends on if it is the Gestapo doing the questioning? Anyone investigating this would need the consent of the Parents to even ask the kids of their opinion? Then it would need a psychologist to interpret the results, were they offering their opinion or a version they had gleaned from their mates or had time to refine in view of the time lapse???

You can't simply waltz into a classroom and interrogate the kids.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

Just now, Kopek said:

You can't simply waltz into a classroom and interrogate the kids.

It's the allegations of a waltzer in the classroom that got us into this mess.

Edited April 14, 2023 by AcousticallyChallenged

[Kopek]

Aimed at Sid rather than you Gladys.

[Gladys]

6 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Well, it depends on if it is the Gestapo doing the questioning? Anyone investigating this would need the consent of the Parents to even ask the kids of their opinion? Then it would need a psychologist to interpret the results, were they offering their opinion or a version they had gleaned from their mates or had time to refine in view of the time lapse???

You can't simply waltz into a classroom and interrogate the kids.

You have incorrectly quoted me. 

Sorry, Kopek, saw your later post.

The drag queen thing is done and I am not sure I can find anything that says no kids were interviewed for that, apart from Alfie(?). Happy to be corrected.

It is the other allegations about recommending anal sex, how to put a condom on a wooden dildo etc that kids had  not yet been interviewed about.   

Edited April 14, 2023 by Gladys

[Kopek]

Acoustic, are you saying that all those young kids who do Ballroom Dancing are part of the gender identity crisis???

Have you watched the Billy Wilder film??

[The Voice of Reason]

1 minute ago, Kopek said:

Acoustic, are you saying that all those young kids who do Ballroom Dancing are part of the gender identity crisis???

Have you watched the Billy Wilder film??

Billy Elliot?

Edited April 14, 2023 by The Voice of Reason

[Kopek]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

You have incorrectly quoted me. 

I'm out of practice, it was aimed at Sid!

[Gladys]

Just now, Kopek said:

I'm out of practice, it was aimed at Sid!

See my edited reply. 

[Kopek]

'fraid i derailed the argument there somewhat?

It was aimed at whether you could interrogate kids without parent consent ? and even then would it need psychologist interpretation to determine if the opinion was formed before or after the event???? 

 

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, Kopek said:

'fraid i derailed the argument there somewhat?

It was aimed at whether you could interrogate kids without parent consent ? and even then would it need psychologist interpretation to determine if the opinion was formed before or after the event???? 

 

You are probably right about parental consent, but not so sure about the psychologist angle.  There may be someone there to safeguard the child, but not undertake a psychological assessment of their evidence. 

It is likely to be a whole load of BS  on the more sensationalist allegations.  Those who have made the allegations have been remarkably quiet.

The more likely outcome is that there were challenging topics covered, but they were sensitively and age appropriately presented.   From the published curriculum, it seems it was  intended to educate the pupils in what is, and is not, acceptable behaviour and feelings both for themselves and others.

The wooden dildo story is telling.  Is it really likely that it was anything other than  a wooden representation of a penis? 

As I said ages ago in this, my granddaughter, who has still another full year at primary school to go, has classmates who have started menstruating.  This needs to be recognised and  responsible, age appropriate and sensitive guidance given,  not religious puritanism.

[Shake me up Judy]

9 hours ago, hissingsid said:

So how long is this pantomime going to go on for.   How much are these special investigators being paid…..how long does it take to question a classroom of say 30 kids all  in situ  the rest have been done 8 teachers and one guest speaker who is not a Drag Artist but does drag for a hobby.    It is a ridiculous situation and should have been sorted swiftly.

It's been played out. Give it another month or so and everyone will have forgotten. Kids testimony is notoriously unreliable anyway. There'll be a report somewhere down the line but it'll be watered down and the public won't get to read it. Data protection. Short and meaningless statement in Tynwald and a couple of questions from Moorhouse. You've seen and heard all that you're going to. Lessons learned, move on etc.