finlo Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: Depending on which additives you may be worse off. Some are beneficial to the car, a reason why Shell & named brands do cost a bit more. The additive in question is E10 isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, finlo said: The additive in question is E10 isn't it? Don't know - my Volvo service bod told me that Shell is more expensive than ASDA due to the additives, FWIW I'm on diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, finlo said: The additive in question is E10 isn't it? They mentioned ethanol on radio as reasons for fuel being more expensive in Uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Its a conspiracy by British Sugar to sell their crop now the government have taxed it out of fizzy pop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 I thought I read somewhere that this E10 stuff knackers your engine due to corrosion? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 51 minutes ago, finlo said: The additive in question is E10 isn't it? E10 isn't the additive, but the fuel mix. According to this useful document from May from the OFT: E10 fuel which is 90% petrol and 10% ethanol was introduced in UK forecourts in 2021. The IOM has continued using premium petrol, which is free of ethanol. Therefore the two products are not exactly like for like. The OFT actually produces a regular report on fuel prices on the Island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, Banker said: They mentioned ethanol on radio as reasons for fuel being more expensive in Uk It was nothing to do with that though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Its a conspiracy by British Sugar to sell their crop now the government have taxed it out of fizzy pop. The trouble with topics like this is that most information you can find is either bland and unevidenced corporate/governmental greenwash or bonkers conspiracy theories from the British press about how anything designed to deal with climate change is an Evul Plot designed to make the genitals of angry middle-aged men drop off. However I thought this piece from the usually reliable openDemocracy quite informative and it interesting that groups such as Greenpeace are sceptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: The trouble with topics like this is that most information you can find is either bland and unevidenced corporate/governmental greenwash or bonkers conspiracy theories from the British press about how anything designed to deal with climate change is an Evul Plot designed to make the genitals of angry middle-aged men drop off. However I thought this piece from the usually reliable openDemocracy quite informative and it interesting that groups such as Greenpeace are sceptical. There's a bioethanol plant near Hull run by BP and Associated British Foods (British Sugar). The head of British Sugar coincidentally happens to be married to a Tory MP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Youaintseenme said: It has since they changed to E10 But Gladys is correct. They recently went from E5 (5%) to E10. When we were on E5, ethanol made up about 25% of the cost of the petrol. Now with E10 and increased gasoline costs, it is still around 25%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: I thought I read somewhere that this E10 stuff knackers your engine due to corrosion? It is worse than that. If left to stand, the ethanol separates from the petrol and rots any rubber parts, rusts or corrodes any exposed metal. And worst of all, gives you 15-20% (conservative estimate) worse fuel economy, meaning that you end up burning more fossil fuel for a given trip, than if there was no ethanol in there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Cambon said: It is worse than that. If left to stand, the ethanol separates from the petrol and rots any rubber parts, rusts or corrodes any exposed metal. And worst of all, gives you 15-20% (conservative estimate) worse fuel economy, meaning that you end up burning more fossil fuel for a given trip, than if there was no ethanol in there I cannot believe reading this that our MHK's have not been hammering down the doors because we are being left out of these effects and the money the common purse is losing due to the cheaper fuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Cambon said: It is worse than that. If left to stand, the ethanol separates from the petrol and rots any rubber parts, rusts or corrodes any exposed metal. And worst of all, gives you 15-20% (conservative estimate) worse fuel economy, meaning that you end up burning more fossil fuel for a given trip, than if there was no ethanol in there if e10 or ethanol based fuel comes anywhere near water ,condensation or dampness , it starts to breakdown and form a sludge , tell me of anyone on the isle of Man who's petrol tank does not have some form of condensation in it , thats why it does not travel by sea in tankers and even in the EU and UK it has to be blended at the refinery , very shortly before delivery to the forecourts , the ethanol content is very corrosive and will melt fuel pipes carburettor seals and parts , given we have a damp climate and older vehicles on our roads , I hope this fuel will not be forced upon us , and cause problems for the motorist and other petrol users 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Here is a thought. At the beginning of the year, petrol was about 1.45 a litre. It is now 1.84 a litre. 39 P more. The duty break takes 6p off, so in reality the difference is 45P. At the beginning of the year unleaded wholesale price was $2.45. Yesterday's close was $3.45, for 3.8 litres. That is about 20P a litre difference, not 45P. Just saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cambon said: Here is a thought. At the beginning of the year, petrol was about 1.45 a litre. It is now 1.84 a litre. 39 P more. The duty break takes 6p off, so in reality the difference is 45P. At the beginning of the year unleaded wholesale price was $2.45. Yesterday's close was $3.45, for 3.8 litres. That is about 20P a litre difference, not 45P. Just saying! They've got to make hay while the sun shines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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