John Wright Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 P&O Ferries ( not Cruises ) have recalled all ferries to home Port and cancelled sailings, pending an announcement. Last Year Peel Ports impounded one of their ferries in Liverpool as they hadn’t paid port charges for many months. Tough game, shipping. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/p-o-ferries-dover-calais-cancelled-b2037850.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Can their ferries dock in IOM or Heysham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxweegie Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Don't worry, they will all be running again shortly. Not being liquidated, not being impounded, a lot of panic over nothing. Announcement due soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Passing Time said: Can their ferries dock in IOM or Heysham? nope. too big. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Manxweegie said: Don't worry, they will all be running again shortly. Not being liquidated, not being impounded, a lot of panic over nothing. Just sacked all of their crew... Not a great look for the company and certainly suggests there may be something else to worry about. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/17/po-ferries-halts-sailings-before-major-announcement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 58 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Just sacked all of their crew... Not a great look for the company and certainly suggests there may be something else to worry about. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/17/po-ferries-halts-sailings-before-major-announcement ....assuming the pay through these agencies must be lower somehow. Clearly deeper problems. Seems like their statement they aren't going out of business should have contained the word 'yet'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eris Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Russian owner has applied sanction against the UK according to scuttlebutt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Eris said: Russian owner has applied sanction against the UK according to scuttlebutt. Doesn't look Russian to me... "DP World, based in Dubai, is one of the world’s biggest logistics, cargo and port operators, with around 50,000 employees. It has a network of more than 80 terminals around the world, handling 15pc of the world’s container shipping traffic. Its chief executive and chairman is Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, who previously criticised UK politicians for being indecisive during the Brexit process." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I see a boycott coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I wonder if RMT union members are revisiting the wisdom of this advice? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Lol. Taking back control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Interesting watching the video and hearing that the reason for termination was "redundancy" whilst then engaging a third party to crew the ships. In the UK there is a little piece of legislation known as the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006 (TUPE). TUPE would appear to apply in these circumstances (service provision change) which would mean that all the crew should have transferred across on their existing terms and conditions to the third party supplier. On top of the unfair dismissal claims I would expect to see claims brought for a failure to consult under TUPE as well. Whoever decided on this course of action has really stuffed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Interesting watching the video and hearing that the reason for termination was "redundancy" whilst then engaging a third party to crew the ships. In the UK there is a little piece of legislation known as the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006 (TUPE). TUPE would appear to apply in these circumstances (service provision change) which would mean that all the crew should have transferred across on their existing terms and conditions to the third party supplier. On top of the unfair dismissal claims I would expect to see claims brought for a failure to consult under TUPE as well. Whoever decided on this course of action has really stuffed it up. Are you sure this is a case where TUPE applies? P&O haven’t transferred their undertaking or business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, John Wright said: Are you sure this is a case where TUPE applies? P&O haven’t transferred their undertaking or business. It would fall under a service provision change regulation 3b a service provision change, that is a situation in which— (i)activities cease to be carried out by a person (“a client”) on his own behalf and are carried out instead by another person on the client’s behalf (“a contractor”); (ii)activities cease to be carried out by a contractor on a client’s behalf (whether or not those activities had previously been carried out by the client on his own behalf) and are carried out instead by another person (“a subsequent contractor”) on the client’s behalf; or (iii)activities cease to be carried out by a contractor or a subsequent contractor on a client’s behalf (whether or not those activities had previously been carried out by the client on his own behalf) and are carried out instead by the client on his own behalf, The only hesitation I would have is whether UK law does apply or not and that is because I believe that there can be some quirks when it comes to ships crew and which legislation apply. Given P&O ferries largely operate in the British Isles and European waters I think they will have a hell of a job arguing TUPE or the Acquired Rights Directive does not apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: They’re shipping in temporary workers so I can’t see how TUPE can apply. They’re not transferring anything. They’re stopping peoples employment and employing agency staff to fill their roles over their termination period. Look at the definition of a service provision change again and then consider what you have said about "stopping peoples employment and employing agency staff to fill their roles". The bit about providing cover over the termination period is nonsense as the video clearly says "dismissed on the grounds of redundancy with immediate effect". P&O have not given any notice to terminate employment and I would expect them to be making a payment in lieu of notice (otherwise that allows another claim of wrongful dismissal to be brought). It is also apparent that P&O have failed to consult over the redundancies and I suspect they have not notified the Government via the HR1 form as is required. If that is the case then it is a criminal offence which carries a small fine of £5000. I suspect that we are seeing the demise of P&O ferries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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