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[Numbnuts]

As Notail says but I thought it was 25% lower than previous full year.. Not much difference really .

Edited April 4, 2022 by Numbnuts

[Stu Peters]

10 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

I read an article the other day about Finland and how it prepares for potentially going to war and being invaded.

Every 3 months they consult key parties in the economy, food produce, banks, you name it. They run through scenarios and preparedness. I'll see if I can find the link somewhere.

As I said above, @Stu Peters can defend the Fat Barber as much as he wants. This is abysmal.

'They didn't tell us!! Wa wa wa.'

Found the article - https://www.ft.com/content/c5e376f9-7351-40d3-b058-1873b2ef1924

I think Finland has a much higher chance of being annexed by Russia than Rushen does (see what i did?) so it makes sense. But I'll ask a question in Keys about why Clare Barber hasn't personally been in touch with every food business in the IOM since September to ask them 'RU OK hunni'.

As usual you're spouting offensive and ridiculous tosh.

[alpha-acid]

52 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

This is what amazes me.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/food-minister-surprised-by-ramsey-bakery-closure/

The Food Minister says neither she nor her officers have had discussions with Ramsey Bakery since last year's election.

The largest customer of the flour mill. Our largest producer of baked goods and not a single communication from the food minister or her officers in what, 6 months? Abysmal.

This highlights a larger problem historically with the Isle of Man. Officers claiming to be on the pulse and always caught by surprises they haven't been told about e.g. Pokerstars cutting jobs.

Newsflash. It's your fucking jobs to know what's going on.

No it is not they are a private company and unless they have grants they do not need to tell them anything

[Gladys]

TBH I could imagine some businesses, if they were approached by a govt dept to ask how they were doing, would tell them to sling their hook, unless there was some other requirement arising from some arrangement with govt such as grant funding to provide information. 

There may be various fora that govt uses to see what is going on in certain sectors, but it would be a voluntary almost conversational  thing.

However, you would have thought that a large employer, in an economically strategic sector would have thought it courteous to let govt know of their intentions.  

[alpha-acid]

1 minute ago, Gladys said:

TBH I could imagine some businesses, if they were approached by a govt dept to ask how they were doing, would tell them to sling their hook, unless there was some other requirement arising from some arrangement with govt such as grant funding to provide information. 

There may be various fora that govt uses to see what is going on in certain sectors, but it would be a voluntary almost conversational  thing.

However, you would have thought that a large employer, in an economically strategic sector would have thought it courteous to let govt know of their intentions.  

Bet H+B 'S wont tell them

[Manx Resident]

21 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

I naively expect Government to be pro-actively discussing the economy, food security, gas supply etc with businesses, and to have some intimation, not necessarily detail, of the direction of travel for key businesses. I now note that the DEFA Minister has apparently said that her department hasn’t spoken with RB since the election. Government must struggle to prepare contingency plans for a range of key risks, food supply, gas supply etc if nobody in Government seemingly talks to businesses.

 

3 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

I think Finland has a much higher chance of being annexed by Russia than Rushen does (see what i did?) so it makes sense. But I'll ask a question in Keys about why Clare Barber hasn't personally been in touch with every food business in the IOM since September to ask them 'RU OK hunni'.

As usual you're spouting offensive and ridiculous tosh.

Perhaps, more seriously, your could direct your question to the Cabinet Office and ask if there are any contingency plans for key risks to IOM?. Perhaps there are none which is why everything is such a surprise?. 

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, alpha-acid said:

Bet H+B 'S wont tell them

Probably not and more to the point what would be the point, other than giving them the heads up?   To a degree, govt may have been relieved not to have been told for fear of being put in a position of having to do  something, and would rather not be put on the spot.  

 

[Gladys]

6 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

Perhaps, more seriously, your could direct your question to the Cabinet Office and ask if there are any contingency plans for key risks to IOM?. Perhaps there are none which is why everything is such a surprise?. 

Well we know that a disaster plan either did not exist, or if it did was ignored for Covid.   

[Numbnuts]

40 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

I think Finland has a much higher chance of being annexed by Russia than Rushen does (see what i did?) so it makes sense. But I'll ask a question in Keys about why Clare Barber hasn't personally been in touch with every food business in the IOM since September to ask them 'RU OK hunni'.

As usual you're spouting offensive and ridiculous tosh.

Strange reply. I wouldnt expect anyone in higher authority to be asking businesses how they were doing but would expect coal face staff to be tasked to ask a courtesy question to businesses that are in effect supporting totally another Government operation. Laxey Mill is only there because of tax payers money so you'd have thougth the treasury would have had a passing interest. Especially over these last two years.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Numbnuts

[Gladys]

Wouldn't that be a matter for Laxey Glen Mills?  Even if they did, as long as the account was up to date, would you expect RB to be particularly forthcoming? 

Perhaps RB did notify LGM at the same time as notifying their customers? 

[Numbnuts]

31 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Wouldn't that be a matter for Laxey Glen Mills?  Even if they did, as long as the account was up to date, would you expect RB to be particularly forthcoming? 

Perhaps RB did notify LGM at the same time as notifying their customers? 

Fair point ...

[NoTailT]

1 hour ago, Stu Peters said:

I think Finland has a much higher chance of being annexed by Russia than Rushen does (see what i did?) so it makes sense. But I'll ask a question in Keys about why Clare Barber hasn't personally been in touch with every food business in the IOM since September to ask them 'RU OK hunni'.

As usual you're spouting offensive and ridiculous tosh.

She's clearly a pal of yours, that's cool.

It's the responsibility of Government and its officers to be engaged with industry. We may be a country, but we are the size of a small town. It's not difficult.

The fact that nobody there has had any engagement whatsoever with RB in 6+ months is ridiculous. Officers should be keeping tabs on industry, especially major employers, to avoid shocks like this.

If Janice from Peel who makes artisan chutneys in her spare time shuts up shop its a shame for Janice, but not for the Island. What we are talking about here is a potential threat to our self-sustainabilty. That's why it's important.

DFE wrapped the egaming officers when the P* job cuts kept coming as surprises and they changed BDMs in to 'Strategic Partnership Managers' who monitor the industries they are responsible for.

This isn't about war. We are a small isolated Island. Contingency of basic supplies is critical.

Edited April 4, 2022 by NoTailT

[NoTailT]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

TBH I could imagine some businesses, if they were approached by a govt dept to ask how they were doing, would tell them to sling their hook, unless there was some other requirement arising from some arrangement with govt such as grant funding to provide information. 

There may be various fora that govt uses to see what is going on in certain sectors, but it would be a voluntary almost conversational  thing.

However, you would have thought that a large employer, in an economically strategic sector would have thought it courteous to let govt know of their intentions.  

DFE and their agencies are constantly asking key businesses in their sectors for feedback on how the economy is, how business is performing and asking what challenges they're facing. Because: that's their jobs.

[Gladys]

5 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

DFE and their agencies are constantly asking key businesses in their sectors for feedback on how the economy is, how business is performing and asking what challenges they're facing. Because: that's their jobs.

Are those feedback requests mandatory?  Do you know that they weren’t sent to RB?  Wouldn't the responses be made anonymous?  Would they reveal the specific issues facing RB?  From recollection, they are very general 'how do you feel about x ' type questions.

It is not govt's role to poke about in the affairs of individual  private sector businesses, except where regulated or under the terms of  govt funding.

What would you have govt do if they were given an early heads up anyway? 

The directors have to handle such situations with full regard to their legal obligations and probably did everything in line with advice, even if that turned out to catch govt on the back foot. 

I think you are expecting too much from the relationship between govt and the private sector. 

 

 

 

[2112]

I see Gawne is adding his two pennerth in the NPM - suggests combining the flour mill with the bakery. Good old Gawne, good with money …………….. like the coop, especially other peoples money where you aren’t checked or surcharged. Also likes government interference in our lives, and state controls. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by 2112