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[x-in-man]

7 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

But apart from those expenses "locally recouped", surely the money paid for the contract's fulfilment goes off the Island? And unless they're coming on the Steamie, air passenger costs will go to off-Island concerns such as Ezy or Logan too?

Yes - but that does not matter as long as visitor numbers and and the associated made up figure for 'daily spends' by those visitors can be calculated.

If they come through the airport they make up figures saying these visitors spend X a day.  Every plane that lands and takes off pays the government money.  

If they pitch up on the boat - the same X a day spend plus boat spending.

They've been doing it for cruise ships numbers and costs for years.

Smoke and mirrors - it's what the government do.

 

[Ativa]

12 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

In my experience you're completely wasting your time trying to decipher Government procurement decisions.

It doesn't matter how much they try and clean it up and make it transparent, vested interests are always the biggest factor, along with egos and personal relationships. Value for money for the taxpayer and quality of the resulting product are about as far down the list as it is possible to get.

Any feedback asked for is invariably vague and meaningless, usually rushed together after the event and completely contradictory.

No one will ever persuade me that a majority of government tenders aren't decided before any tender process starts.

I know this sounds a little bit conspiracy theory, I would have thought that myself before being involved. Having seen how things work first hand though, they are anything but fair or in the best interests of the people funding them.

Rubbish

We have been involved in loads.  Won some, lost some and never had an issue understanding why the process had worked either for or against us.

There have been times I have been glad we haven’t won them as we couldn’t have don’t it any cheaper and turned a profit, but the firms who won are still trading so I can only assume they had lower running costs, lower cost of materials or were prepared to work for very little.

[Happier diner]

2 hours ago, Gladys said:

That is if I have interpreted that correctly

I don't think you have. They didn't just win overall. They won on that one attribute too. They were more local than the local companies. 

[Ativa]

2 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I don't think you have. They didn't just win overall. They won on that one attribute too. They were more local than the local companies. 

Not true

Their submission under “local economic factors” in their tender application put forward a better case for them winning the tender than the other firm.

That is not in any way the same as saying they were more local.

[Happier diner]

22 minutes ago, Ativa said:

Not true

Their submission under “local economic factors” in their tender application put forward a better case for them winning the tender than the other firm.

That is not in any way the same as saying they were more local.

Fair enough. I was over generalising. You must see the point though. It's just not credible. 

I'm not saying they weren't the best option. But my goodness the Manx bidders must have been really bad to score lower. 

You have failed to realise though that assessing a bid is not just about reading what the bidder has put on their bid. It's about looking beyond that and into the reality of the benefit to the Manx economy. Not just how good someone is at making a case. 

[Non-Believer]

12 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Fair enough. I was over generalising. You must see the point though. It's just not credible. 

I'm not saying they weren't the best option. But my goodness the Manx bidders must have been really bad to score lower. 

You have failed to realise though that assessing a bid is not just about reading what the bidder has put on their bid. It's about looking beyond that and into the reality of the benefit to the Manx economy. Not just how good someone is at making a case. 

And it wasn't just the one local concern that was unsuccessful either. If what's being stated is true then another local concern actually scored higher but still didn't get the gig. How bad must they all be?

Unless, as @x-in-man has posted above, it's more about inflating figures in other areas than keeping the "spend" local? Expensive job-justification from IoMG? Surely not....?

Edited April 16, 2023 by Non-Believer
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[Mercenary]

11 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

You have failed to realise though that assessing a bid is not just about reading what the bidder has put on their bid. It's about looking beyond that and into the reality of the benefit to the Manx economy. Not just how good someone is at making a case. 

I don't think this is right though is it - how would you defend that if challenged?

'Their bid was worse but I had a good feeling about them'

 

Note a successfully challenged procurement can cost govt a big portion of the tender cost

 

Edit: surely easiest way would be adjust scoring criteria to focus on locally established workforce 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Mercenary

[woolley]

Been involved in some absolute shockers when tendering to the private sector. Software where you register as a potential supplier and then bid down anonymously in a Dutch auction against the other suppliers until people were bidding to do it for worse than break even. Banks used this method, and a few others. Don't know if they still do because one experience was enough. Extremely demeaning for all parties.

[WTF]

another option, considering where the survey is taking place is that IF the survey shows half of kirmkichael will be in the sea in 10 years time they wouldn't want locals to have that knowledge

[HiVibes]

57 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

And it wasn't just the one local concern that was unsuccessful either. If what's being stated is true then another local concern actually scored higher but still didn't get the gig. How bad must they all be?

The list of approved flyers is on the government website, I would guess the winner might be https://angellsurveys.com/ obviously specialists in the area with Lidar scanning drones and a software solution, compare that to the local offering :-

https://www.dronesurvey.im/

http://hawkeyelogic.com/ 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nigel-dobson-13b793132/?originalSubdomain=im

Energy Media (Juan Turner) 

https://www.isleofmanbydrone.com/

 

[mollag]

Any skeet on Manx Telecom's move into the rear of the Brewery compound at Kewague  [snotty bridge] 🤔

[finlo]

8 minutes ago, mollag said:

Any skeet on Manx Telecom's move into the rear of the Brewery compound at Kewague  [snotty bridge] 🤔

I think they've rented a portion of the brewery for years?

[Ativa]

2 minutes ago, finlo said:

I think they've rented a portion of the brewery for years?

So do I.

I haven’t looked at the plans but either a good part of or the whole place is due to be converted to commercial units anyway.

[jackwhite]

39 minutes ago, Ativa said:

So do I.

I haven’t looked at the plans but either a good part of or the whole place is due to be converted to commercial units anyway.

our resident former o'kells guy said they were scaling down brewery to microbrewery so presumably more space automatically. 

 

Wonder if they'd rent to another microbrewery 🤣

[Happier diner]

3 hours ago, Mercenary said:

I had a good feeling about them'

I dodnt say or even mean that. I might have had experience of them or references from a good source. I have had bidders look me kn the eye, show me flash presentations and glossy documents. Without previous experience I would have been impressed with them. They have often been rubbish, full of bullshit or just liars.