Firm closing

[Passing Time]

26 minutes ago, Banker said:

No, what happens is When boat doesn’t sail that Tesco ring up RB & say can we have say 1000 extra loaves today & 250 packs of rolls etc, next day say if boat doesn’t go , then as soon as boat sails Tesco say we don’t want any extra. You can not operate like that getting screwed by big supermarkets all the time 

Nothing new there. Do you recall the fruit grower up north of the island going bust courtesy of M&S?

[Passing Time]

41 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

Not as rare as it used to be, the Steam Packet seem less willing to sail than they used to be. A hefty storm will knock out sailings for a couple of days.

More to do with elf and safety

A walk in town today was interesting. One overnight cancellation and the sandwich shelves were bare in both M&S and Boots, and the other shelves weren't much better.

People to lazy now to make their own lunches

I'm not sure it's good for the island to be reliant on imports, but no business is competing with the supermarket loss-leaders.

not just an island problem though is it. Local shops/suppliers at least contributed to government coffers whereby Amazon et al do not

As for the lack of communication with RB, that works both ways. RB didn't give DEFA a heads-up either. I'm not sure it's for government to be checking in with businesses constantly.

Depends on what support they got during the last two years

 

[Eris]

5 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Nothing new there. Do you recall the fruit grower up north of the island going bust courtesy of M&S?

But surely sensible people will always buy best value for money?  If M&S or anyone can beat price and quality in the market they deserve to thrive, and only by improving quality and reducing price by the local provider if they can't then ---

 

[Banker]

15 minutes ago, Eris said:

But surely sensible people will always buy best value for money?  If M&S or anyone can beat price and quality in the market they deserve to thrive, and only by improving quality and reducing price by the local provider if they can't then ---

 

No body can compete against Tesco or other large supermarkets who can sell products at a loss to gain customers if they wish, also try & get your products into their stores & see the paperwork, checks & costs you incur!

[Ringy Rose]

26 minutes ago, Eris said:

If M&S or anyone can beat price and quality in the market they deserve to thrive

That depends on how level the playing field is. The big problem is that the big retailers offer bread and milk at a loss, which distorts what people perceive as a fair price to pay for those products.

There is no way M&S can make, ship, and sell a loaf of bread for 65p. But people will point to that price as evidence that Ramsey Bakery are ripping people off.

Given that ten years ago Warburton Toastie retailed at £1.40 per loaf, and given it is unlikely the cost of manufacture has dropped since then, I strongly suspect that Tesco are also losing money selling that bread for £1.15. Clearly Tesco will do this as a nationwide promotional activity for a big brand, but they're not going to do it for Ramsey Bakery.

Edited April 7, 2022 by Ringy Rose

[hissingsid]

Well that seems to be that, a perfect storm, and very understandable, I will miss them.

[Eris]

So surely the customer must be the #1 priority at all times?  If the local provider can't compete on price then compete on quality.

[Whiskey]

8 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

That depends on how level the playing field is. The big problem is that the big retailers offer bread and milk at a loss, which distorts what people perceive as a fair price to pay for those products.

There is no way M&S can make, ship, and sell a loaf of bread for 65p. But people will point to that price as evidence that Ramsey Bakery are ripping people off.

Given that ten years ago Warburton Toastie retailed at £1.40 per loaf, and given it is unlikely the cost of manufacture has dropped since then, I strongly suspect that Tesco are also losing money selling that bread for £1.15.

I’m old enough to remember the supermarket beans war. As a student it was fantastic, but surely nobody was daft enough to think that beans have been overpriced ever since? 
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/beans-means-cuts-in-supermarket-wars-1304956.html?amp

 

[Ringy Rose]

13 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

As a student it was fantastic, but surely nobody was daft enough to think that beans have been overpriced ever since?

As the article you quoted alluded to, it did put Heinz in a tough position for a bit; it's hard to hold at 30p when your competitor is at 3p. Heinz were big enough to cope, though.

17 minutes ago, Eris said:

If the local provider can't compete on price then compete on quality.

I think the best word to describe this thought process is naive.

[Passing Time]

1 hour ago, Eris said:

But surely sensible people will always buy best value for money?  If M&S or anyone can beat price and quality in the market they deserve to thrive, and only by improving quality and reducing price by the local provider if they can't then ---

 

Google it and read the full story

[Steve Ball]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

No body can compete against Tesco or other large supermarkets who can sell products at a loss to gain customers if they wish, also try & get your products into their stores & see the paperwork, checks & costs you incur!

It isn`t just about price, it is about the quality, the quality of the hamburger baps, and crab baps at the peel kiosk, you can`t buy in Tescos, Use the IOM for quality food, or loose it for ever.

[Steve Ball]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

No body can compete against Tesco or other large supermarkets who can sell products at a loss to gain customers if they wish, also try & get your products into their stores & see the paperwork, checks & costs you incur!

But its shite, ( ok its cheap shite ) but its still shite.

[0bserver]

27 minutes ago, Steve Ball said:

Use the IOM for quality food, or loose it for ever.

If people can afford it then I'm sure they will

[Eris]

2 hours ago, Ringy Rose said:

As the article you quoted alluded to, it did put Heinz in a tough position for a bit; it's hard to hold at 30p when your competitor is at 3p. Heinz were big enough to cope, though.

I think the best word to describe this thought process is naive.

Then let the free market decide. As for quality products, that's all about compliance with requirements, nothing else.

[Boris Johnson]

Lets think out of the box 🙂 for a moment.

How about to make sure we don't all starve.

Everyone puts a loaf of bread in their freezer

Mrs Johnson, all of them, have done that for years and yes its not as tasty but it makes fine toast if you cant get to the shop or the boat is not working.

Problem solved