Firm closing

[The Phantom]

16 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Liverpools Anglican Cathedral in their cafe type establishment. Small bottles of wine were also available to purchase but at the time the only red they had was Merlot so I passed on that.
 

Someone attempted to mug me in the grounds there once! 

15 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

Did they sell it as Merlot, or as the blood of Jesus? 

I hope they sold bags of those Jesus Crisps too? 

[jackwhite]

31 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Someone attempted to mug me in the grounds there once! 

I hope they sold bags of those Jesus Crisps too? 

Christ and Onion? 

Sure there was a beer named Jesus Crisp too. 

[Roger Mexico]

16 hours ago, John Wright said:

But whether the banning for future sales off was actually justified, or a knee jerk reaction to losing old drinking places that no one, as far as I’m aware, wanted to use as such, post brewery, is important. 

But the judiciary don't make moral judgements about whether they think a change in the law was "actually justified" or not.  Providing it doesn't conflict with other law and it has been drafted effectively, they enforce it and use it to influence other judgments.  And in this case there was a clear reason for the change, the practice was anticompetitive.

Even if no one wanted to reuse a property as licenced premises when it closed, that doesn't mean that circumstances can't alter and it become desirable as such again.  So a covenant that appears irrelevant when applied might be genuinely restrictive later. 

The interesting question is what effect the legal change would have on existing covenants of the type now banned. Just as no one would be prosecuted for a now-legalised offence that took place before legalisation, a covenant that would now be invalid might be easier to challenge at the vey least.

[jackwhite]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

But the judiciary don't make moral judgements about whether they think a change in the law was "actually justified" or not.  Providing it doesn't conflict with other law and it has been drafted effectively, they enforce it and use it to influence other judgments.  And in this case there was a clear reason for the change, the practice was anticompetitive.

Even if no one wanted to reuse a property as licenced premises when it closed, that doesn't mean that circumstances can't alter and it become desirable as such again.  So a covenant that appears irrelevant when applied might be genuinely restrictive later. 

The interesting question is what effect the legal change would have on existing covenants of the type now banned. Just as no one would be prosecuted for a now-legalised offence that took place before legalisation, a covenant that would now be invalid might be easier to challenge at the vey least.

@John Wrightoutlined the likely costs involved in that the other day.

We've discussed it before and I suspected they would be prohibitive. These figures certainly were. 

Given that, I think we're unlikely to ever find out the answer. 

[Barlow]

10 hours ago, John Wright said:

 

Didn’t the brewery sell it, and it was bought by their manager and Stephen Pitts and run as a pub after? Are you sure there was a covenant?

Regarding the covenant, I'm quoting from David Cretney's article, as linked and quoted. But whatever, the place became shot, ruinous and inoperable. 

 

 

[jackwhite]

48 minutes ago, Barlow said:

Regarding the covenant, I'm quoting from David Cretney's article, as linked and quoted. But whatever, the place became shot, ruinous and inoperable. 

 

 

Hadn't realised he'd done one on IOMG!

[Kopek]

11 hours ago, The Phantom said:

Someone attempted to mug me in the grounds there once! 

That'd be God, did you not see the collection plate???

[forestboy]

Four Seasons Chinese in Ballasalla closing this weekend. 😢

[Banker]

2 minutes ago, forestboy said:

Four Seasons Chinese in Ballasalla closing this weekend. 😢

Never been, can’t have been any good otherwise with a large number of people in vicinity it would have done well 

[forestboy]

2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Never been, can’t have been any good otherwise with a large number of people in vicinity it would have done well 

It was excellent and always busy especially during weekends. 
Also did delivery. 

[woolley]

On 11/16/2023 at 12:00 PM, The Phantom said:

Someone attempted to mug me in the grounds there once! 

I hope they sold bags of those Jesus Crisps too? 

In Liverpool?????!!! The self-appointed most decent people on earth? Nah. Don't believe it.

[2112]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

Never been, can’t have been any good otherwise with a large number of people in vicinity it would have done well 

I don’t think bums on seats are the only factors in whether a hospitality business is successful. Taxes, and bureaucracy are also playing a part, along with food price increases, energy costs etc, and not forgetting in some cases, difficult to recruit skilled and unskilled staff. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by 2112

[Kopek]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

Never been, can’t have been any good o

Not very fair?

[Non-Believer]

Now David Ashford claims that DfE should be monitoring the failures of businesses and collating the reasons behind such failures. Can't see that being jumped at by the DfE, their raison d'étre is self promotion and trumpeting success stories, they'll not want to be involved with looking into failures and the wheres and whys, especially if things start pointing towards management of the economy, ie Govt itself? (Source 3FM News)

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Non-Believer
Source

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

52 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Now David Ashford claims that DfE should be monitoring the failures of businesses and collating the reasons behind such failures. 

 

 

I imagine it’s because the failed businesses bought £200,000.00 chewing gum removal machines.