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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

The proposals to send asylum seekers to Rwanda could cost up to £1.4bn

Obvs that isn’t all going to go to the Rwandan Government, but it looks like a bit of an earner to me. Would it have been an opportunity for the Isle of Man to set something up and take a cheque  from Whitehall? A darn sight more humane too.

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1 minute ago, Derek Flint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

The proposals to send asylum seekers to Rwanda could cost up to £1.4bn

Obvs that isn’t all going to go to the Rwandan Government, but it looks like a bit of an earner to me. Would it have been an opportunity for the Isle of Man to set something up and take a cheque  from Whitehall? A darn sight more humane too.

I doubt very much that the courts will allow this.

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4 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Would it have been an opportunity for the Isle of Man to set something up and take a cheque  from Whitehall? A darn sight more humane too.

No. The Isle of Man should have nothing at all to do with the UK's immigration policy. 

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a) This idea doesn't make sense for the Isle of Man: I don't think this would be good for the people of the Isle of Man: serving as the detention centre for these Isles is hardly the exciting, dynamic and forward-looking industry that we need. With unemployment at 1.7%, we need better and higher-paying jobs, not just more jobs.

b) This idea doesn't make sense for the United Kingdom: One of the purposes of this proposed policy is to try to deter migrants from paying criminal people smugglers to take them across the English Channel in dodgy boats. If the final destination is Rwanda, it is likely that fewer migrants will pay criminal people smugglers to take a risky journey. The Isle of Man is less of a deterrent than Rwanda is.

 

In the long-run, the United Kingdom Government would like to deter people from taking dangerous and risky journeys with criminal people smugglers. Australia has faced this problem over the last twenty years, and the current annual recurring cost is relatively low because the journeys have been successfully deterred. The end goal of a policy like this is not to send lots of people to Rwanda (or Isle of Man as you suggest) but to not need to send people anywhere because they haven't taken dangerous trips in crappy boats in open seas

 

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2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Yeah, lets put thousand of poor people who haven't been charged or convicted of anything in a concentration camp for years and pretend it's a success!!

The fact that the rubber boat people have broken into the UK makes them criminals from the get-go. If they were in fear of their lives they would have applied for asylum in the first safe country that they entered but they have not done so.  

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3 minutes ago, Eris said:

The fact that the rubber boat people have broken into the UK makes them criminals from the get-go. If they were in fear of their lives they would have applied for asylum in the first safe country that they entered but they have not done so.  

My comment was about the Australian policy, described as 'successful' above by Josem.

The UK situation is fucked up beyond repair, and anyone with a conscience would not see these people as criminals who need to be imprisoned, but as fellow humans who need some help.

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36 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

The proposals to send asylum seekers to Rwanda could cost up to £1.4bn

Obvs that isn’t all going to go to the Rwandan Government, but it looks like a bit of an earner to me. Would it have been an opportunity for the Isle of Man to set something up and take a cheque  from Whitehall? A darn sight more humane too.

There's one of those boats shown in the link outside The Sefton Hotel with soil in it as a garden display. It's a kind of symbol.

Put such economic migrants up in the Sefton Hotel and give The Sefton Hotel shareholders lots more taxpayers' £millions.

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7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

My comment was about the Australian policy, described as 'successful' above by Josem.

The UK situation is fucked up beyond repair, and anyone with a conscience would not see these people as criminals who need to be imprisoned, but as fellow humans who need some help.

But why should the UK taxpayers have to do anything to help them when these rubber boat people are illegal economic invaders who should be rooted out of the UK?  

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5 minutes ago, Eris said:

But why should the UK taxpayers have to do anything to help them when these rubber boat people are illegal economic invaders who should be rooted out of the UK?  

Because helping is the right thing to do, rather than the UK taxpayer paying for them to be arrested and imprisoned in fucking Rwanda.

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1 minute ago, TheTeapot said:

Because helping is the right thing to do, rather than the UK taxpayer paying for them to be arrested and imprisoned in fucking Rwanda.

The right thing to do would be to return these criminals to France.

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