Opportunity Missed?

[SleepyJoe]

 

30 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

About the worst idea ever aired on this Forum, probably would not have been if you still lived on the Island.

Indeed. At no time should the UK government be permitted to harbour the idea that they have rights of requisition on the IOM

[Derek Flint]

45 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

About the worst idea ever aired on this Forum, probably would not have been if you still lived on the Island.

I’m sorry but you are absolutely wrong.

I would like to cite my proposals for storage of low level nuclear waste, location of a small modular reactor and upgrading of Jurby to a maximum security Cat A dispersal prison to house the UK’s most dangerous prisoners. 

All those are much worse.

[hissingsid]

I suggest you make these proposals to your District Council .

[Dave Hedgehog]

1 hour ago, AOR said:

There's one of those boats shown in the link outside The Sefton Hotel with soil in it as a garden display. It's a kind of symbol.

Put such economic migrants up in the Sefton Hotel and give The Sefton Hotel shareholders lots more taxpayers' £millions.

Have they not had it bad enough without having to stay in The Sefton? 

[Derek Flint]

20 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I suggest you make these proposals to your District Council .

Alas, we have no moat. But I do have Sellafield and Heysham about the same distance from me as when I was on Mann. 

and the Island needs the money.

[Two-lane]

6 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

the Island needs the money.

What is the GDP per capita of the IoM compared to the UK?

[The Phantom]

1 hour ago, Josem said:

 With unemployment at 1.7%, we need better and higher-paying jobs, not just more jobs.

The IOM and the UK are experiencing a significant shortage of labour at the moment and it's genuinely hindering the economy.  I am at a loss to understand why someone from the Job Centre is not stood on the beach at Dover interviewing them when they get off their rubber boats (I'm only half joking).  Surely if they are true Refugees and Asylum seekers, they would prefer not to rely on charity (or be shipped to a detention centre) and be offered some sort of employment straight off the bat?

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

Because helping is the right thing to do, rather than the UK taxpayer paying for them to be arrested and imprisoned in fucking Rwanda.

Rwanda is actually quite pleasant (if you ignore the genocide, but then most countries have a dark history somewhere).  It's veritable garden of eden type stuff when you're there.  Stunning rolling hills, insanely fertile etc but obviously it takes a long time to lose a reputation. 

1 hour ago, finlo said:

It strikes me as a bit odd that these boats contain almost exclusively young males, have they really left their women and children behind?

This is an uncomfortable truth and does make you wonder about the pre-Ukraine rubber boat people from the 'shit hole countries'.  The vast majority of Ukrainian refugees are women, kids and the old.  However Ukraine pretty much banned all males of fighting age from leaving the country.

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by The Phantom

[Josem]

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

My comment was about the Australian policy, described as 'successful' above by Josem.

I said "the journeys have been successfully deterred" - because that is what has happened.

Stopping the boats has enabled the Australian Government to close 19 detention centres and remove all children from detention. Stopping the boats means that hundreds of people are no longer drowning in the Indian Ocean. Because these trips have been successfully deterred, less asylum seekers are at the convenience of criminal people smugglers, less asylum seekers are at the mercy of human traffickers, and less asylum seekers are on unseaworthy boats causing hundreds of men, women and children to drown.

Unfortunately, the so-called "humane" policy advocated by leftists had the actual consequences of hundreds of people drowning in the ocean, and thousands of people being put in detention centres. You post a picture, above, of what appears to be an immigration detention centre - that's where people are held if the boats are not deterred!

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Josem said:

I said "the journeys have been successfully deterred" - because that is what has happened.

Stopping the boats has enabled the Australian Government to close 19 detention centres and remove all children from detention. Stopping the boats means that hundreds of people are no longer drowning in the Indian Ocean. Because these trips have been successfully deterred, less asylum seekers are at the convenience of criminal people smugglers, less asylum seekers are at the mercy of human traffickers, and less asylum seekers are on unseaworthy boats causing hundreds of men, women and children to drown.

Unfortunately, the so-called "humane" policy advocated by leftists had the actual consequences of hundreds of people drowning in the ocean, and thousands of people being put in detention centres. You post a picture, above, of what appears to be an immigration detention centre - that's where people are held if the boats are not deterred!

No. Let’s get it right.

Boats, people smugglers and other nasties are brought about by right wing racist governments, in places like Aus and UK, not having in place adequate asylum and refugee policies and application and processing centres at point of origin.

So, the likes of your political heroes cause the problem, then are appalled by the consequences/problem they’ve created and do something even more extreme, which they portray as a solution.

[Andy Onchan]

34 minutes ago, John Wright said:

No. Let’s get it right.

Boats, people smugglers and other nasties are brought about by right wing racist governments, in places like Aus and UK, not having in place adequate asylum and refugee policies and application and processing centres at point of origin.

So, the likes of your political heroes cause the problem, then are appalled by the consequences/problem they’ve created and do something even more extreme, which they portray as a solution.

Where do you mean, point of origin?

[quilp]

38 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Boats, people smugglers and other nasties are brought about by right wing racist governments...

So the likes of Assad, Putin, Saddam and all those other murderous dictatorships aren't to blame? 

[John Wright]

5 minutes ago, quilp said:

So the likes of Assad, Putin, Saddam and all those other murderous dictatorships aren't to blame? 

They create a different part of the problem. It’s how the west deals with it subsequently that creates the smugglers, exploiters etc. 

[Josem]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

They create a different part of the problem. It’s how the west deals with it subsequently that creates the smugglers, exploiters etc. 

The criminal people smugglers take advantage of asylum seekers by claiming to provide a service that the asylum seekers want: to get from relatively impoverished nations (such as Indonesia/France) to far more prosperous and better governed English-speaking nations (such as Australia/United Kingdom). Those journeys across the open sea in dangerous boats are encouraged by dopey-leftists with their good-on-social-media virtue signalling, but terrible-in-real-life policies.

The result is that when leftists impose their fake-humane policies, asylum seekers drown in the English Channel and the Indian Ocean.

When people who understand the dynamics at play here fight to combat criminal people smugglers, asylum seekers are able to be resettled in relatively safe and secure nations where they can get the protection that they need.

[Manxweegie]

Just now, Josem said:

The criminal people smugglers take advantage of asylum seekers by claiming to provide a service that the asylum seekers want: to get from relatively impoverished nations (such as Indonesia/France) 

Don't think France can be considered an impoverished nation. 

[Josem]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Boats, people smugglers and other nasties are brought about by right wing racist governments, in places like Aus and UK, not having in place adequate asylum and refugee policies and application and processing centres at point of origin.

So, the likes of your political heroes cause the problem, then are appalled by the consequences/problem they’ve created and do something even more extreme, which they portray as a solution.

The idea that Australia or the UK is responsible for insufficient refugee camps at the point of origin in Afghanistan or Syria is as wrong-headed as the rest of your rant here. I do not know if you have ever met a refugee, but if you ever do have the privilege, I encourage you to speak to them and listen to their stories and understand the factors that cause their persecution.