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[TheTeapot]

[Eris]

33 minutes ago, Gladys said:

The criminals are those charging many thousands to vulnerable people wanting to improve their lot or escape unimaginable horror to be packed onto inflatables and risk drowning, or packed into containers to die of suffocation. 

The criminality extends to the thousands of economic migrants who pay thousands of pounds in order to gain access to the UK benefits they then ponce off. These burglars who break into the UK are not the tired, poor, or huddled masses yearning to breathe free.  They are criminals who want to suck off the UK taxpayers teat.

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, Eris said:

The criminality extends to the thousands of economic migrants who pay thousands of pounds in order to gain access to the UK benefits they then ponce off. These burglars who break into the UK are not the tired, poor, or huddled masses yearning to breathe free.  They are criminals who want to suck off the UK taxpayers teat.

Hard evidence please, and not "everyone knows" or "it happens all the time".

How do these criminals get the UK benefits without being 'enrolled' into the state machine? 

[Eris]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Hard evidence please, and not "everyone knows" or "it happens all the time".

How do these criminals get the UK benefits without being 'enrolled' into the state machine? 

The moment they step off the RNLI taxi it starts.  Free accomodation, free medical care, free pocket money, free food and lots more besides.  Otherwise if landed off the back of a lorry then straight on the ongoing criminal network and they disappear into the black economy working for well under the minimum wage so taking jobs off UK workers and often involved in criminal activities ranging from working for cash in hand in fast food outlets through Uber driving, food delivery. nail bars, pop-up car washing, county lines, and much much more.

[TheTeapot]

CRIMINAL CAR WASHING!!

Jesus fucking christ.

[Lost Login]

59 minutes ago, Eris said:

The moment they step off the RNLI taxi it starts.  Free accomodation, free medical care, free pocket money, free food and lots more besides.  Otherwise if landed off the back of a lorry then straight on the ongoing criminal network and they disappear into the black economy working for well under the minimum wage so taking jobs off UK workers and often involved in criminal activities ranging from working for cash in hand in fast food outlets through Uber driving, food delivery. nail bars, pop-up car washing, county lines, and much much more.

Asylum seekers in England get £2,124 per year and from that they have to buy there own food, cloths etc. I can really see why they are desperate to come to the UK when there are such riches on offer. They have no option but to rely on hand outs as asylum seekers are banned from working

Some facts from a UK parliamentary report. 2021 saw the UK have its highest number of asylum applicants since 2003 at 48,450. That was a big jump from 2020 when in Europe the UK would have probably been 6th after Germany, Spain, France, Greece and Italy with both Germany and Spain having more than 100,000.

The refusal rate for asylum seekers in the UK is between 25% and 30% and in the last year pre pandemic made up only 6% of immigration to the UK

86% of refugees live in a country neighbouring the country they are leaving.

I hope you are a troll but I fear you are a real selfish, racist bigot. 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Lost Login
2003 miss typed as 2023

[manxman34]

10 hours ago, Eris said:

The fact that the rubber boat people have broken into the UK makes them criminals from the get-go. If they were in fear of their lives they would have applied for asylum in the first safe country that they entered but they have not done so.  

This is factually incorrect - look it up

[manxman34]

1 hour ago, Eris said:

The criminality extends to the thousands of economic migrants who pay thousands of pounds in order to gain access to the UK benefits they then ponce off. These burglars who break into the UK are not the tired, poor, or huddled masses yearning to breathe free.  They are criminals who want to suck off the UK taxpayers teat.

These are racist lies.

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, Eris said:

The moment they step off the RNLI taxi it starts.  Free accomodation, free medical care, free pocket money, free food and lots more besides.  Otherwise if landed off the back of a lorry then straight on the ongoing criminal network and they disappear into the black economy working for well under the minimum wage so taking jobs off UK workers and often involved in criminal activities ranging from working for cash in hand in fast food outlets through Uber driving, food delivery. nail bars, pop-up car washing, county lines, and much much more.

Where do you get all this shit from, if not the Daily Mail?

[manxman1980]

27 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Where do you get all this shit from, if not the Daily Mail?

Nigel Farage...

[Josem]

3 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

The UK can print money, IOM can’t 

Every bank creates money, this is what banks do.

It is true that the Isle of Man Government does not own a bank, and the Isle of Man Government cannot create money directly - but given that the Isle of Man Government has significant reserves, this is not really a meaningful difference. As the pandemic has proven, the Isle of Man Government has ample ability to pump large amounts of additional money into the economy. This financial year, through deficit spending, they're putting more money into the Manx economy as well.

I don't see much reason to think that the real-world economic financial implications of the IOM Government's deficit spending are likely to be very different from the UK Government's deficit spending: higher inflation and reduced spending power of money. I don't see any reason to think that money from the BoE is meaningfully different in this respect.

[Bandits]

Just now, Josem said:

As the pandemic has proven, the Isle of Man Government has ample ability to pump large amounts of additional money into the economy. This financial year, through deficit spending, they're putting more money into the Manx economy as well.

But we raised a £400 million pound bond as we clearly don’t actually have that capacity from reserves.

[finlo]

59 minutes ago, Josem said:

Every bank creates money, this is what banks do.

It is true that the Isle of Man Government does not own a bank, and the Isle of Man Government cannot create money directly - but given that the Isle of Man Government has significant reserves, this is not really a meaningful difference. As the pandemic has proven, the Isle of Man Government has ample ability to pump large amounts of additional money into the economy. This financial year, through deficit spending, they're putting more money into the Manx economy as well.

I don't see much reason to think that the real-world economic financial implications of the IOM Government's deficit spending are likely to be very different from the UK Government's deficit spending: higher inflation and reduced spending power of money. I don't see any reason to think that money from the BoE is meaningfully different in this respect.

Aren't these mystical "reserves" just the on paper value of the islands infrastructure ie the value of the schools hospitals and roads etc as apposed to liquid assets?

Edited April 14, 2022 by finlo

[The Bastard]

The IOM definitely needs a much larger population to give us all those quality-of-life things that can't operate within such a small market - but in such a small market I'd also argue that new residents need to be significantly economically active, as a small island can't support decades of support and development. Importing new residents is essential, but there are lessons to be learned from Germany's current problems with organised crime stemming from poor handling of past refugees - unless it's done right, and there are opportunities available, and a supportive local culture, long-term societal problems can result. 

[Ringy Rose]

3 hours ago, Eris said:

The criminality extends to the thousands of economic migrants who pay thousands of pounds in order to gain access to the UK benefits they then ponce off.

You can't get benefits as a migrant.

Are you and @Josemhaving a competition to see who can be the biggest bellend?

1 hour ago, Bandits said:

But we raised a £400 million pound bond as we clearly don’t actually have that capacity from reserves.

Historically low interest rates, of course you'd borrow.