Zarley Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Passing Time said: He'll not be so happy once he's done the trip. The sound of branches clattering against windows and roof will soon change his views Are you kidding? He's five and already a thrill-seeker. He'll love it! The more noise the better in his book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) It seems like former Infrastructure Minister Tim Crookall MHK may have (inadvertently(?)) mislead House of Keys. On 14th June he told HoK that all services operated during TT fortnight - as reported in this article by Ged the Ferret Except now a FOI request has revealed that slightly more than none were cancelled. Request is dated 14th June 2022 and you can search it here 'Buses TT' https://services.gov.im/freedom-of-information/search Edited July 21, 2022 by 0bserver HoK not Tynwald 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:42 PM, Non-Believer said: In the name of "making savings" and "efficiencies" (to coin 2 expressions), a number of IoM PS bodies have now decided to turn themselves into "commercial enterprises". Just like the breakdown of Russia where all the senior civil servants got handed key infrastructure businesses for pennies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, 0bserver said: It seems like former Infrastructure Minister Tim Crookall MHK may have (inadvertently(?)) mislead House of Keys. On 14th June he told HoK that all services operated during TT fortnight - as reported in this article by Ged the Ferret Except now a FOI request has revealed that slightly more than none were cancelled. Request is dated 14th June 2022 and you can search it here 'Buses TT' https://services.gov.im/freedom-of-information/search Except he used the age old ruse of wily words as I recall, stating that He "believed" that all buses had run to schedule...rather than stating that they had. Therefore stating a "belief" rather than a black and white. This sort of play on words is what gets politicians and their greased weasel CS off the democratic hook. He'd know full well the bus schedule was the biggest fuck-up since the Promenade, he just avoided admitting it and now he's gone from DOI (and DfE) there's no accountability for it. Even if someone were to now ask, "What led you to believe it then?". Which no-one will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Except he used the age old ruse of wily words as I recall, stating that He "believed" that all buses had run to schedule...rather than stating that they had. Therefore stating a "belief" rather than a black and white. Except, to be fair to Crookall, who said "I am told that all buses ran", many of us would have taken there to be an unspoken "if you can believe anything that comes out of Longworth's mouth" added. He used the "I am told" phrase a lot at DoI - and who can blame him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Except, to be fair to Crookall, who said "I am told that all buses ran", many of us would have taken there to be an unspoken "if you can believe anything that comes out of Longworth's mouth" added. He used the "I am told" phrase a lot at DoI - and who can blame him. The quote from the paper at the time was quite unequivocal about it "All buses ran when they were supposed to' throughout TT. That's according to the former Minister for Infrastructure Tim Crookall, who said in the House of Keys people may have thought buses were cancelled, but they were just delayed. A round trip from Douglas to Ramsey via Peel on Mad Sunday was taking four and a half hours instead of the normal three. Mr Crookall reiterated that despite delays, all buses did run:" Edited July 21, 2022 by emesde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I think he was implying that a bus that didn't turn up was actually just delayed by a few days. So therefore no problem. Similar to his it will cost £250,000 to get 2 barriers fixed at the airport. Just make it up as you go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 There's a situation though where Civil Servants/Officers have potentially knowingly supplied false information in answer to a HoK question. That's surely quite a serious matter? Understandable if it was just 1 or 2 cancelled across two weeks that could be just confusion. But when it's the numbers they've published that's just deceitful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, 0bserver said: There's a situation though where Civil Servants/Officers have potentially knowingly supplied false information in answer to a HoK question. That's surely quite a serious matter? It was clearly regarded as a serious matter back in 2014! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/health-chief-exec-and39should-be-censuredand39/ The CEO involved here retired a month later. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 And is still picking up his obscene pension. So do not see much of being censured. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nellie said: It was clearly regarded as a serious matter back in 2014! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/health-chief-exec-and39should-be-censuredand39/ The CEO involved here retired a month later. Retired banked his 30 yr plus pension entitlement and then almost immediately went on to a very well paid position running large a care home group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, emesde said: The quote from the paper at the time was quite unequivocal about it I actually linked to what he said in Hansard though, which gives the full exchange, including what appeared in the paper. But the first relevant comment was what I quoted It's basically a good example of how civil servants can get away with lying to Ministers. Incidentally, as well as taking over five weeks to respond to the FoI, they didn't actually respond with what they were asked, giving a summary rather than listing the cancellations and not supplying "All written communications that related to the decision to cease publishing bus delays or cancellations on Facebook during this period.". Instead they just gave the e-mails relating to this FoI. Which the enquirer presumably had anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, BriT said: Retired banked his 30 yr plus pension entitlement and then almost immediately went on to a very well paid position running large a care home group. And joined a consultancy firm that has since done a lot of work for the Isle of Man Government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, BriT said: Retired banked his 30 yr plus pension entitlement and then almost immediately went on to a very well paid position running large a care home group. but doesn't he also write reports on government for Beamans consultancy who also seem to have a finger in the pie and running the Isle of man ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 18 hours ago, 0bserver said: It seems like former Infrastructure Minister Tim Crookall MHK may have (inadvertently(?)) mislead House of Keys. On 14th June he told HoK that all services operated during TT fortnight - as reported in this article by Ged the Ferret Except now a FOI request has revealed that slightly more than none were cancelled. Request is dated 14th June 2022 and you can search it here 'Buses TT' https://services.gov.im/freedom-of-information/search 14 June is the same day it was announced that IL was retiring. Coincidence? The three things happened on 14 June - FOI request, TC reply and IL going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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