Gladys Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, Banker said: That’s my understanding as he attends all Comin & is responsible for ensuring everything is run in accordance with governance I have been trying to find what the role is in relation to CoMin and other than being the head of the civil service, can't find who has that responsibility. The AG also attends as does a Secretary. Will keep digging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 11 hours ago, Nellie said: As I said on another thread, a few days ago, we live in a form of Kleptocracy, just like the Russians. Noses in the trough at every opportunity. Only most of our lot are too thick (Skelly being the Thicko-in -Chief) to even be embarrassed about it. Why would they be embarrassed - this lot think they are above the likes of you and I and can flaunt the rules to suit themselves. Once again, nothing will be done about it and lessons may be learned. The whole sorry system is rotten to the core and joe public continues to pick up the tab for their follies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: I have been trying to find what the role is in relation to CoMin and other than being the head of the civil service, can't find who has that responsibility. The AG also attends as does a Secretary. Will keep digging. Our elected are very quiet about all this! Howard definitely said he had excused himself from all relevant meetings. Who polices this shower? We can't trust the AG or Will green how to do anything as was seen during the lockdown shenanigans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 They wouldn't have a quorum if they all excused theirselves? Maybe just the secretaries attending??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Well main role is listed as The Chief Secretary’s principal role is to provide impartial policy and management advice to the Chief Minister and the Council of Ministers; to provide impartial advice to the Lieutenant Governor; and to provide effective leadership of the Isle of Man Public Service and the Cabinet Office. So advice on what’s correct at Comin meetings is key part of his function. Advice on legal matters would be AG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ashford-not-an-interested-party-in-company-that-received-covid-support Someone pays him a salary on top of his mhk salary?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, cissolt said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ashford-not-an-interested-party-in-company-that-received-covid-support Someone pays him a salary on top of his mhk salary?! So much for an MHK being a full time job! No wonder Daffy gets stressed at people emailing her of an evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, NoTailT said: So much for an MHK being a full time job! No wonder Daffy gets stressed at people emailing her of an evening. A salaried quiz master? Are they trading as the outback bar? Ashford was a director of walkabout limited trading as the outback as his previous members interests show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Banker said: Well main role is listed as The Chief Secretary’s principal role is to provide impartial policy and management advice to the Chief Minister and the Council of Ministers; to provide impartial advice to the Lieutenant Governor; and to provide effective leadership of the Isle of Man Public Service and the Cabinet Office. So advice on what’s correct at Comin meetings is key part of his function. Advice on legal matters would be AG It's procedural and governance advice that would be needed. After a quick scan of the Ministerial Code, I couldn't see who ministers are advised to take such advice from, there must be someone, but I couldn't see it. I will look again because if there is a code and set of guidelines, you would think someone would be given responsibility to understand them and assist CoMin in complying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fysseree Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 21 hours ago, Bandits said: Well Bakers activities need to perhaps be better investigated. The initial press report says he got around £46K in support. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/foi-reveals-extent-of-covid-support-given-to-businesses-linked-to-mhks/ But search for Buffalo, Surestrike and Pepsi Max across all the scheme PDFs on the DfE website you get to at least £80K. The salary support alone was over £56K. Which is fine as that goes straight to employees. The Winter disruption scheme was £35K on top plus other grants. So the press got it very wrong. The total across all schemes for just Pepsi Max Bowl is £138,415.51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Fysseree said: The total across all schemes for just Pepsi Max Bowl is £138,415.51. You have more patience than me then. Add Buffalo on top and it’s nearly £200K then. Shame our own press can’t be arsed researching anything before they publish a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fysseree Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) Interestingly, while there's the topic of Gradely Holdings (t/a the Outback), they received £42,734.45. Walkabout Limited, which the treasury minister was most recently a director of, received £52,741.18 (is Walkabout Ltd also the Outback?) Edited May 6, 2022 by Fysseree typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fysseree said: Walkabout Limited, which the treasury minister was most recently a director of, received £52741.18 (is Walkabout Ltd also the Outback?) Members interests register says his interest ceased in 2018. They have the same registered office at the Outback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, Bandits said: Members interests register says his interest ceased in 2018. They have the same registered office at the Outback. Manx radio have a soundclip of him claiming he is a salaried employee of Gradley holdings which now trades as the outback. As a former director of a business who is a current employee, I would dispute his claim that he is not an interested party and there is no conflict of interest 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, cissolt said: Manx radio have a soundclip of him claiming he is a salaried employee of Gradley holdings which now trades as the outback. As a former director of a business who is a current employee, I would dispute his claim that he is not an interested party and there is no conflict of interest The register is here https://www.tynwald.org.im/memoff/interest/Lists/Interests/AllItems.aspx But sorry yes just read the Manx Radio story here: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ashford-not-an-interested-party-in-company-that-received-covid-support/ If you’re paid a salary then yes I’d expect it to be declared too. He has actually had his interest in Walkabout removed from the register in 2018 though. How can you not have an interest in a company (Gradely) if it’s actually paying you? That said it is declared on the register so why was his link not published in the original one about MHKs businesses? Edited May 6, 2022 by Bandits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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