Ashford: Should he stay or should he go?

[asitis]

1 hour ago, cissolt said:

Honesty and transparency are at the heart of this administration apparently as regurgitated by Dr Alex in Tynwald.

Disappointing.

How an educated man like Dr Allinson can stand there and speak this utter rubbish beggars belief, it makes him look an utter clown, when exactly the opposite is clearly evident ! One or two have gone up in my estimation and maybe a few more would have but for the patsy Skelly who shut them down. It is a dirty swamp nothing more.

[joebean]

What if it is proven that documents submitted to the tribunal were falsified? Will the politicians responsible for the Department be held accountable and sacked? Will Ashford continue to sit on CoMIN claiming that, despite his MBE and his expertise-act he actually knew nothing and did nothing? At what point will AC and other Ministers recognise that the credibility of Tynwald is tarnished and democracy is being denied? 
Skelly has no shame. Never has had and never will have. He is a pole-climber, attention seeker and fraud. The fact that he was made President is an affront to anyone who believes this Island needs or deserves good government. What we are seeing today is a continuation of old habits, not a change in direction. Every single MHK should be questioning their role in this charade. 

[forestboy]

2 minutes ago, joebean said:

What if it is proven that documents submitted to the tribunal were falsified? Will the politicians responsible for the Department be held accountable and sacked? Will Ashford continue to sit on CoMIN claiming that, despite his MBE and his expertise-act he actually knew nothing and did nothing? At what point will AC and other Ministers recognise that the credibility of Tynwald is tarnished and democracy is being denied? 
Skelly has no shame. Never has had and never will have. He is a pole-climber, attention seeker and fraud. The fact that he was made President is an affront to anyone who believes this Island needs or deserves good government. What we are seeing today is a continuation of old habits, not a change in direction. Every single MHK should be questioning their role in this charade. 

All they want is the status quo. 

[cheesypeas]

12 minutes ago, joebean said:

What if it is proven that documents submitted to the tribunal were falsified? Will the politicians responsible for the Department be held accountable and sacked? Will Ashford continue to sit on CoMIN claiming that, despite his MBE and his expertise-act he actually knew nothing and did nothing? At what point will AC and other Ministers recognise that the credibility of Tynwald is tarnished and democracy is being denied? 
Skelly has no shame. Never has had and never will have. He is a pole-climber, attention seeker and fraud. The fact that he was made President is an affront to anyone who believes this Island needs or deserves good government. What we are seeing today is a continuation of old habits, not a change in direction. Every single MHK should be questioning their role in this 

Edited May 17, 2022 by cheesypeas
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[Roger Mexico]

Of course one problem with Tynwald discussing this, is that the Clerk of Tynwald's Office, who will be advising Tynwald, is hardly disinterested in allowing discussion or not over Employment Tribunals:

I have no idea what the details are of this particular case, but given the length of time allocated, it wouldn't surprise me if there were whistleblowing claims involved here as well.

[Manx Resident]

The Chief Minister may be playing a long game and he may be waiting to see what the tribunal finds about the DHSC submission of documentation etc.

But by bringing the whole Public Sector into the frame and referencing various reviews he could equally be kicking the can down the road and hoping something else comes along to make us forget this debacle.

[forestboy]

2 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

The Chief Minister may be playing a long game and he may be waiting to see what the tribunal finds about the DHSC submission of documentation etc.

But by bringing the whole Public Sector into the frame and referencing various reviews he could equally be kicking the can down the road and hoping something else comes along to make us forget this debacle.

It will NEVER be forgotten. 

[2112]

3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Of course one problem with Tynwald discussing this, is that the Clerk of Tynwald's Office, who will be advising Tynwald, is hardly disinterested in allowing discussion or not over Employment Tribunals:

I have no idea what the details are of this particular case, but given the length of time allocated, it wouldn't surprise me if there were whistleblowing claims involved here as well.

If there are whistleblower claims, or more salacious juicy titbits to emerge, do you think the islands media to play ball, and be supportive? I think they will want to go in for the kill.

[2112]

2 minutes ago, forestboy said:

It will NEVER be forgotten. 

Or forgiven

[quilp]

10 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Roast me now. 

😯

[Roger Mexico]

1 minute ago, 2112 said:

If there are whistleblower claims, or more salacious juicy titbits to emerge, do you think the islands media to play ball, and be supportive? I think they will want to go in for the kill.

It's less about whether the media want to cover it or not[1] than whether there are the resources.  Covering a hearing means devoting a reporter to it full time with the possibility that you won't get even a single story in a day out of it.  There seems to have been an informal 'pool' arrangement with the Ranson hearings with a reporter covering them and the rest taking their coverage, but that was a very high profile case for various reasons.  Stuff like this will be  missed.

 

[1]  Though, as has been noticed by others including Robertshaw, Manx Radio's coverage of the Ranson Decision was (to put it politely) rather restrained.  This may be about being worried about offending their paymaster or simply because reading and summarising a 200-page report looked too much like hard work.   Of course you could argue that Manx Radio's increasing infantilisation of news may itself be designed to placate those in charge.

[Albert Tatlock]

10 minutes ago, forestboy said:

It will NEVER be forgotten. 

I agree...the Manx public will not forget this...till next week.

Ashford is a career politician. Ashford won't go...he'll just continue to blame the staff and bluff it out like his current hero Boris.

Unfortunately, probably only 10% of the public are only remotely interested or even aware of what's going on here...and far less than 0.2% are really bothered.

 

[snowman]

It's like Cuba

[Holte End]

I would love to see Mr Ashfords yearly performance review of his CEO, If he bothered.

[Ham_N_Eggs]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

Of course one problem with Tynwald discussing this, is that the Clerk of Tynwald's Office, who will be advising Tynwald, is hardly disinterested in allowing discussion or not over Employment Tribunals:

I have no idea what the details are of this particular case, but given the length of time allocated, it wouldn't surprise me if there were whistleblowing claims involved here as well.

At the end of Moulton's interview with Robertshaw yesterday, Moulton said there was another employment tribunal starting today with protected disclosures so I'd say it's very likely.