Ashford: Should he stay or should he go?

[Kopek]

...........and there is a difference between being 'misinformed' and accepting what you have been told?

Ashfords problem is that he presented himself as being super 'across' all the problems that might arise and yet, in the end, he missed what was under his nose?

[cissolt]

10 minutes ago, Kopek said:

...........and there is a difference between being 'misinformed' and accepting what you have been told?

Ashfords problem is that he presented himself as being super 'across' all the problems that might arise and yet, in the end, he missed what was under his nose?

He also lied repeatedly regarding following medical advice and all medical personnel were behind the guidance. 

As well as the reason for the vaccine delay

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, Kopek said:

...........and there is a difference between being 'misinformed' and accepting what you have been told?

Ashfords problem is that he presented himself as being super 'across' all the problems that might arise and yet, in the end, he missed what was under his nose?

I agree, and that is where ego steps in.  But to say he is lying is unfair. Like I have said there is a spectrum between being remiss (for whatever reason, be it ego or incompetence) to being complicit.  

He probably did genuinely think he was super 'across' all the problems, but he didn't question those who were providing him with the (mis)information.

However, that does not excuse the lack of contrition.

 

[Kopek]

Gladys, I didn't say he was lying, rather that he used the rules to point out the he stayed within those rules  for a Minister, while anyone could believe that a person who understood the rules to Ashfords degree could not be across those rules as to mani9mulate those rules  to absolve his self self of blame?

Of course we don't know what he was aware of behind the scenes   and there must have been many conversations within the Dept that makes it disputable that he can reasonably claim to have not been aware of what was going on?

[Kopek]

Manx Radio....

Ashford trusted Magson! Ah bless......but he wasn't told everything?

[swoopy2110]

He was up at the Grandstand Paddock on Friday looking important dressed in a suit with his TT pass / lanyard round his neck allowing access to areas that the public aren't allowed to be in. As he is no longer a Minister I've got no idea why he would still be granted this.

[quilp]

6 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Manx Radio....

Ashford trusted Magson! Ah bless......but he wasn't told everything?

Squirm, squirm. Worth actually listening to that statement...

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/former-health-minister-had-good-working-relationship-with-ex-dhsc-ceo/

 

[The Voice of Reason]

16 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said:

He was up at the Grandstand Paddock on Friday looking important dressed in a suit with his TT pass / lanyard round his neck allowing access to areas that the public aren't allowed to be in. As he is no longer a Minister I've got no idea why he would still be granted this.

Maybe not a case of being “granted”

Possibly “invited”?

I don’t know

[AOR]

2 hours ago, swoopy2110 said:

He was up at the Grandstand Paddock on Friday looking important dressed in a suit with his TT pass / lanyard round his neck allowing access to areas that the public aren't allowed to be in. As he is no longer a Minister I've got no idea why he would still be granted this.

The Grandstand is in his constituency.

Apologies - it isn't. (thanks Mr Mexico)
https://www.gov.im/media/1371845/constituency-map-no-5-douglas-north.pdf

Edited June 13, 2022 by AOR

[2112]

You would have thought he would have kept a low profile. Why go in a suit? He wasn’t part of the event or overseeing the event. Does he not have any smart casual wear? 

[forestboy]

2 minutes ago, 2112 said:

You would have thought he would have kept a low profile. Why go in a suit? He wasn’t part of the event or overseeing the event. Does he not have any smart casual wear? 

He’s just not smart in any sense. 

[Kopek]

He actually sounds a bit subdued in that clip. Is this the closest to contrition he could manage?

Couldn't resist deflecting some criticism away from hisself with the ''not told everything''!

Certainly not a point by point rebuttal?

Edited June 13, 2022 by Kopek

[littlebushy]

24 minutes ago, AOR said:

The Grandstand is in his constituency.

So is my house but he ain't fucking coming in.

[Roger Mexico]

24 minutes ago, AOR said:

The Grandstand is in his constituency.

No it isn't it, it's in Douglas East.

The snippet just continues to illustrate how Ashford believes the job of politician is simply 'doing what you are told' - in this case by Magson.  That's why he always sounds so hurt in interviews - he's been a good little boy and done what he was told and ignored anyone who tried to explain things to him if they weren't the 'right' person.  He has absolutely no concept of what the job of a Minister actually should entail.

[Wavey Davey]

16 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

No it isn't it, it's in Douglas East.

The snippet just continues to illustrate how Ashford believes the job of politician is simply 'doing what you are told' - in this case by Magson.  That's why he always sounds so hurt in interviews - he's been a good little boy and done what he was told and ignored anyone who tried to explain things to him if they weren't the 'right' person.  He has absolutely no concept of what the job of a Minister actually should entail.

What he is basically saying is that he is a very bad judge of character. He clearly trusted someone implicitly who should not have been trusted implicitly at all. The same as Tim Crookall trusting a load of people who are clearly going to destroy his reputation too at some stage as they are literally cretins.