Roger Mexico Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, Two-lane said: She had been in the job for only a few months, but she is responsible. Nevertheless, her resignation statement is more honest than the others so far. The Ranson Decision shows her collaborating with Magson at several meetings (some of which she 'forgot' about) so as to exclude Ranson from the Manx Care MD job. Based of course on nothing more than Magson's spite. It showed that her idea of HR wasn't doing the best for the staff or the organisation, but catering for the whims of whoever happened to be in charge at the time. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, Gladys said: Now Ms Coney, Head of HR! I think we can all guess that there will be further actions arising from the Ranson tribunal now if they’re f**king out the head of HR. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Anyone going to keep a count on salaries saved by these culls !??. Don't forget the massive outgoing of pensions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bandits said: I think we can all guess that there will be further actions arising from the Ranson tribunal now if they’re f**king out the head of HR. Need to grab the bull by the horns and once and for all sort all departments out so at last things can move on as they should. Its all been a shambles for far to long . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Don't forget the massive outgoing of pensions. Yes for sure and payoff's . Not convinced these have all gone willingly or as suggested . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bandits said: I think we can all guess that there will be further actions arising from the Ranson tribunal now if they’re f**king out the head of HR. If all the relevant 'players' leave now they’ll be in a better position should there be criminal charges laid. Better to be a former employee with all the pension benefits rather than an existing one with the chance they could be fired for gross misconduct and lose all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Ship Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, manxman34 said: I'm not sure you understand the role of HR any more than the present incumbents do. Are you saying that providing a performance management structure is not a HR function or are you saying that civil servants should not be subject to such a performance management scheme? Or maybe you mean both? Either way, don't both legitimately fall within the HR function? (And obviously the point of such a scheme is to manage performance and to facilitate the removal of managers - however senior - who don't perform. Isn't that part of the global HR function?) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 I suppose the unanswered question is why was there such a campaign against Dr R? Did it emanate from professional jealousy on who was head honcho between the 3 main characters in this? It is very sad, primarily for Dr R, but why didn't some of the lesser players say "hang on a minute"? Or was the WFH environment allowing aberrant behaviour to go unchecked even if it is just a passing comment from a colleague "oh, that's a bit mean"? It just seems everyone was unfettered even by a basic sense of fair play. How could anyone involved believe it would end in anything but a car crash for all involved. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, quilp said: If all the relevant 'players' leave now they’ll be in a better position should there be criminal charges laid. Better to be a former employee with all the pension benefits rather than an existing one with the chance they could be fired for gross misconduct and lose all. I agree. That’s probably why they’re reported as resignations. Faced with the reality that they’re f**ked if they get a misconduct charge slammed on them the best action is to resign before it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: I suppose the unanswered question is why was there such a campaign against Dr R? Did it emanate from professional jealousy on who was head honcho between the 3 main characters in this? It is very sad, primarily for Dr R, but why didn't some of the lesser players say "hang on a minute"? Or was the WFH environment allowing aberrant behaviour to go unchecked even if it is just a passing comment from a colleague "oh, that's a bit mean"? It just seems everyone was unfettered even by a basic sense of fair play. How could anyone involved believe it would end in anything but a car crash for all involved. I reckon they thought there would never be repercussions as there's never been before . Edited May 24, 2022 by Numbnuts 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: why didn't some of the lesser players say "hang on a minute"? Lesser players like, say, Angela Murray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: I reckon they thought there would never be repercussions as theres never been before . Possibly, but it seems so widespread that it is curious that no one said anything even if it was not to get involved. Perhaps there was a feeling of immunity given the pandemic that came from the very top. You know something like " we're in a pandemic, you do what you have to do". Thus the green light was given. Edited May 24, 2022 by Gladys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: Perhaps there was a feeling of immunity given the pandemic that came from the very top. Emergency powers gave them the belief they could do anything without any consequences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Ship Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 I wonder if Dr Ranson was not well liked within DHSC? Wasn't one of the first things she did was to draw up a list of things that could be done better or weren't working properly within Nobles and the wider health service? If there was a "this is the way we do things because this is how we've always done things" culture within DHSC, I can imagine that a "come over" pointing out things that could be improved upon might not be very popular... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ghost Ship said: I wonder if Dr Ranson was not well liked within DHSC? Wasn't one of the first things she did was to draw up a list of things that could be done better or weren't working properly within Nobles and the wider health service? If there was a "this is the way we do things because this is how we've always done things" culture within DHSC, I can imagine that a "come over" pointing out things that could be improved upon might not be very popular... Isn't that the reason anyone with any decent off-Island professional experience gets ousted (me included)? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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