Apple Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 8 hours ago, AOR said: So did the defendant's mother have a valid point? Or is no one interested? What, racism on the Isle of Man. No chance ! 4 minutes ago, Declan said: I don't think it's wise to attribute too much weight to something called out in a moment of high emotion. Certainly it shouldn't be used to make a point about race relations. Very much agree with this part of your post. A comment made in distressing times doesn't need echoing on social media by someone who is in the public eye and whose views people may tend to respect and give sway to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 12 hours ago, Asthehills said: Wow! What is that based on? Well we do have an openly racist MHK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Yes - Stu was paraphrasing. I don't think his use of boy was the racist use of boy. It's just the kind of thing a mother would say. That said, putting undue weight upon and drawing attention to an emotional outburst at a highly charged moment to make a point about "the race card" is flirting with racism. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Manx17 said: It wasn’t a child it was a grown man, (boy) only an idiot would use the term after what was said in court. Racist or not. Shut up for fuck's sake... 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 You've made that point. I think he was paraphrasing and didn't check the correct quote and didn't think about the point you are raising. I doubt he would care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Manx17 said: The lady showed strength courage and bravery to put this person behind bars so he can’t do it again. There has been a case where a lad brutally attacked a woman in a church in Douglas (1970s) and was put on an attempted murder charge. He did similar to a woman in Blackberry Lane (1980s). Then in the 2000s ...was jailed after admitting a sickening sex attack on a woman in Douglas. During the assault, he grabbed her from behind and subjected her to a sustained and brutal attack during which she was repeatedly sexually assaulted, raped and beaten. (italics from IoM Newspapers report) Edited October 12, 2022 by AOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, HiVibes said: Well we do have an openly racist MHK. That's a serious allegation to make. Name him or her so they can call you out from behind your anonymity. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: That's a serious allegation to make. Name him or her so they can call you out from behind your anonymity. who says its a him or a her, might be a they ?? have you anymore sexist comments to make ?? 😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: That's a serious allegation to make. Name him or her so they can call you out from behind your anonymity. "Openly" - is the problem here. Of course a racist MHK would deny he was racist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 The trouble as ever is in describing people as 'racist'. It's something that is almost impossible to prove and will never convince most of those so described, because they have even more faith in their own virtue even more than the most indulgent mother. What we need to look at is what people say and what they do, because words and actions can be more easily identified as racist. Perhaps Stu should think about why his reaction to reading that long and upsetting report was to highlight a particular part at the end and make a snidey remark about it. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 13 hours ago, AOR said: So did the defendant's mother have a valid point? Or is no one interested? No, No she didn't 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 14 hours ago, AOR said: So did the defendant's mother have a valid point? What would constitute a "valid point"? She's the racialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Perhaps Stu should think about why his reaction to reading that long and upsetting report was to highlight a particular part at the end and make a snidey remark about it. Why do you think Manx Radio included the outburst? To provide a flavour of the moment in the court or prompt debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: What we need to look at is what people say and what they do, because words and actions can be more easily identified as racist. I started a thread about Implicit bias on the International news part of Manx Forums which I think tries to examine just this. or maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxfisherman Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Still wondering where the mother said "he's a lovely boy". Oh that's right, it got made up, by an MHK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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