Is climate change a fraud?

[Happier diner]

17 minutes ago, Cambon said:

A friend who works for MUA told me that the plan is to lay cables to uk and buy electricity from them, while keeping local generators ticking over as contingency. This makes sense as a fair bit of uk electricity is now nuclear or renewable. 

It also makes sense because the uk chancellor has been printing money to subsidise wind farms etc. When money is printed, it devalues the currency. In this case the pound. Our pound. Indirectly, we are already paying for "green ambitions" via the Bank of England. 

That's not new news.

https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/cabinet-office/climate-change-isle-of-man/isle-of-man-future-energy-scenarios-report/

[Happier diner]

5 minutes ago, GD4ELI said:

Buying from UK makes a lot of sense. We can always pull the plug on you if we want.

Are you the brightest bulb in the box😅

[GD4ELI]

7 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Are you the brightest bulb in the box😅

Yarp.

[SleepyJoe]

4 hours ago, GD4ELI said:

Buying from UK makes a lot of sense. We can always pull the plug on you if we want.

But we are effectively investing in their green energy infrastructure rather than our own. This isn't the sustainable island Mr Cannan is promising us, or particularly wise. The people in majority want island based - or slightly offshore - renewable energy I believe

[Happier diner]

2 hours ago, SleepyJoe said:

But we are effectively investing in their green energy infrastructure rather than our own. This isn't the sustainable island Mr Cannan is promising us, or particularly wise. The people in majority want island based - or slightly offshore - renewable energy I believe

That's a good point. But it needs thinking about. There are two choices. Piggy back the UK approach and enjoy the economy of scale but lose control or go out own way without the economy of scale but with our control. 

My gut feeling is that we are too small. Yes, we should have some wind turbines on shore but supplement that with imported UK electricity for that few days a year when it's not windy. 

[Cambon]

33 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

That's a good point. But it needs thinking about. There are two choices. Piggy back the UK approach and enjoy the economy of scale but lose control or go out own way without the economy of scale but with our control. 

My gut feeling is that we are too small. Yes, we should have some wind turbines on shore but supplement that with imported UK electricity for that few days a year when it's not windy. 

It works for Jersey. Why should it not work for us? 

[Happier diner]

10 minutes ago, Cambon said:

It works for Jersey. Why should it not work for us? 

Agreed.

[Max Power]

3 hours ago, SleepyJoe said:

But we are effectively investing in their green energy infrastructure rather than our own. This isn't the sustainable island Mr Cannan is promising us, or particularly wise. The people in majority want island based - or slightly offshore - renewable energy I believe

Unfortunately, we will spunk away millions on bespoke plans and ideas which will ultimately achieve SFA! We have already started, we have god knows how many puffed up civil servants stoking their eco warrior egos, earning obscene salaries whilst accumulating index linked pensions. When will we see that this is just an industry, a job creation scheme to build a little empire of smug assholes mountain biking their way to god knows where! 

41 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

That's a good point. But it needs thinking about. There are two choices. Piggy back the UK approach and enjoy the economy of scale but lose control or go out own way without the economy of scale but with our control. 

My gut feeling is that we are too small. Yes, we should have some wind turbines on shore but supplement that with imported UK electricity for that few days a year when it's not windy. 

Exactly, but with caution!

[AcousticallyChallenged]

1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

That's a good point. But it needs thinking about. There are two choices. Piggy back the UK approach and enjoy the economy of scale but lose control or go out own way without the economy of scale but with our control. 

My gut feeling is that we are too small. Yes, we should have some wind turbines on shore but supplement that with imported UK electricity for that few days a year when it's not windy. 

Surely, being small has advantages too, as we only have a finite capacity requirement. Whilst more gigawatts reduces the price, there's an upper bound on both what we need, and what we can export through current infrastructure.

If we went for the UK-sourced approach, we'd need redundancy for the interconnect, either maintaining local generation or a second interconnector.

[Happier diner]

10 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Surely, being small has advantages too, as we only have a finite capacity requirement. Whilst more gigawatts reduces the price, there's an upper bound on both what we need, and what we can export through current infrastructure.

If we went for the UK-sourced approach, we'd need redundancy for the interconnect, either maintaining local generation or a second interconnector.

That's right. But if you read the report you will see that the proposal is to have 2 separate interconnectors. 

[SleepyJoe]

UK are looking at firing up old coal stations because of the energy crisis [hope CoMin are putting plans in place to cope with widespread fuel poverty this winter]

We should invest in our own renewables programme to provide affordable energy for home heating here, & pay for new interconnectors by selling into the UK grid

[SleepyJoe]

& Tynwald should put a generational Energy Transition Plan in place now

[Banker]

4 hours ago, SleepyJoe said:

UK are looking at firing up old coal stations because of the energy crisis [hope CoMin are putting plans in place to cope with widespread fuel poverty this winter]

We should invest in our own renewables programme to provide affordable energy for home heating here, & pay for new interconnectors by selling into the UK grid

Comin have helped the poor by giving £150 to every pensioners including the very wealthy whilst poor working families struggle, absolutely stupid!!

[GD4ELI]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

Comin have helped the poor by giving £150 to every pensioners including the very wealthy whilst poor working families struggle, absolutely stupid!!

Cheaper to give it to everyone rather than spend £££ on means testing. Anyway the wealthy pay more in tax so why shouldn't they get some back?

[Banker]

3 minutes ago, GD4ELI said:

Cheaper to give it to everyone rather than spend £££ on means testing. Anyway the wealthy pay more in tax so why shouldn't they get some back?

I disagree just give to those on supplemental benefits & the rest to those in real need like single parents