Harry Lamb Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/22/never-ending-uk-rain-10-times-more-likely-climate-crisis-study 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I think there's a middle way for the IOM to look after the environment without going overboard on climate change expenditure. Jacking up taxes while at the same time putting millions of pounds aside for some climate change measures they don't even fully know yet and that create even more total non-jobs seems nuts and we cannot afford it, no matter how badly Daphne and her eco friends want it. People are right when they say that nothing we do here will make any measurable impact on climate change globally. Nada. Zilch. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't look after the place. It's all about balance. Putting wind turbines here is idiotic. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 10 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/22/never-ending-uk-rain-10-times-more-likely-climate-crisis-study We have the opposite in the Philippines. It's getting ever hotter. We had heat indexes of over 50 degrees c recently, with actual measured temperatures regularly hitting the 40s. Never seen or felt that before. I love going out cycling in the heat and have done for many years, but every year it seems to be getting hotter, to a level now that it's physically painful to do sport outside during certain hours. The fact you're surrounded by concrete and thousands of cars and aircon units etc doesn't help obviously, but the climate is noticeably different. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/14/impossible-heatwave-philippines-april-scientists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 27 minutes ago, Amadeus said: I think there's a middle way for the IOM to look after the environment without going overboard on climate change expenditure. Jacking up taxes while at the same time putting millions of pounds aside for some climate change measures they don't even fully know yet and that create even more total non-jobs seems nuts and we cannot afford it, no matter how badly Daphne and her eco friends want it. People are right when they say that nothing we do here will make any measurable impact on climate change globally. Nada. Zilch. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't look after the place. It's all about balance. Putting wind turbines here is idiotic. Wind turbines should be here as soon as possible and are a great idea. The green grant is also good and has made many homes more efficient. Money is not the only consideration. One person recycling won't make any difference to anything either but that is not to say that one individual shouldn't bother recycling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I'm surprised at the lack of response to the inerconnector to main land bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Dubai uses cloud seeding. Many states in America are openly using cloud seeding. As are many other places. America was using this technology in war, atleast 50 years ago. God knows what else they are doing. This is man made climate change. The governments are rapidly developing more and more (supposed) well-intentioned authoritarianism, while up to all these climate modifying shenanigans. This was all a conspiracy theory a few years ago... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68839043 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: Putting wind turbines here is idiotic. There's nothing idiotic about diversifying our electricity supply and reducing our reliance on buying electricity from the UK, and buying fuel for our generators from abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philwebs Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Cloud Seeding with silver iodide and dry ice has been going on since after WW2. It is old tech now. See: Operation Cirrus Operation Storm Fury (Hurricane modification) Operation Popeye (Vietnam) In the UK the RAF had fun with Project Cumulus. The Lynmouth flood disaster is attributed to this: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/lymouth-flood-disaster-raf-rainmaking-3215800.amp "Operation Cumulus was the name of the experiment being carried out by the RAF and an international team of scientists in August 1952. On this day, August 15 1952, the cloud seeding experiments came to a sudden end, official documents have confirmed. It was also the same day that Devon experienced the biggest, most tragic, flooding event the region has seen in more than 300 years." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cumulus https://climatesciencenews.com/2022-08-24-government-approved-weather-manipulation-behind-lynmouth-floods.html There is a suspicion that the Aberfan incident was precipitated by unusual heavy rain for a week. Not proven. There is a lot more going on which is not worth outlining. It has been some 80 years since Operation Cirrus. The technology in use today is astonishing. Explaining rain making/weather modification to people is not worth the effort. It will take many decades before this will be admitted. Look and use the evidence of your eyes. This technology is known across all large governments. Weather weaponisation is real. Climate change is mostly attributable to the sun and ocean oscillations. Carbon dioxide is a trace gas at 0.04%. Carbon is big business, "green" stuff is big business. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, philwebs said: Cloud Seeding with silver iodide and dry ice has been going on since after WW2. It is old tech now. See: Operation Cirrus Operation Storm Fury (Hurricane modification) Operation Popeye (Vietnam) In the UK the RAF had fun with Project Cumulus. The Lynmouth flood disaster is attributed to this: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/lymouth-flood-disaster-raf-rainmaking-3215800.amp "Operation Cumulus was the name of the experiment being carried out by the RAF and an international team of scientists in August 1952. On this day, August 15 1952, the cloud seeding experiments came to a sudden end, official documents have confirmed. It was also the same day that Devon experienced the biggest, most tragic, flooding event the region has seen in more than 300 years." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cumulus https://climatesciencenews.com/2022-08-24-government-approved-weather-manipulation-behind-lynmouth-floods.html There is a suspicion that the Aberfan incident was precipitated by unusual heavy rain for a week. Not proven. There is a lot more going on which is not worth outlining. It has been some 80 years since Operation Cirrus. The technology in use today is astonishing. Explaining rain making/weather modification to people is not worth the effort. It will take many decades before this will be admitted. Look and use the evidence of your eyes. This technology is known across all large governments. Weather weaponisation is real. Climate change is mostly attributable to the sun and ocean oscillations. Carbon dioxide is a trace gas at 0.04%. Carbon is big business, "green" stuff is big business. Operative word being “business” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeachTea Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 3 hours ago, Venus said: Wind turbines should be here as soon as possible and are a great idea. The green grant is also good and has made many homes more efficient. Money is not the only consideration. One person recycling won't make any difference to anything either but that is not to say that one individual shouldn't bother recycling. The issue with recycling is that whilst there are plenty of places to recycle across the island it does mean people have to physically take their recycling to Tesco(or where ever ) - not everyone drives so therefore this becomes a bit more tricky. Not everyone lives in Douglas either so cant call on DBC/ the recycling peeps to come and collect their recycled items ( nor possibly afford to pay for the service). Their needs to be a rehaul of recycling on the island - it should be the same as in the UK . All households are provided with a bin and this then gets collected once a week/fortnight free of charge. BUT this would be a costly exercise. So people dont bother because 1 - its hassle ( sorry but for most it is) and 2 - requires a change of behaviour . Another issue is resolving how rubbish gets recycled - i am under the impression that its sent to the UK ( and its possible i am wrong about this) - that to me takes away the point of actually recycling when we are shipping stuff to be recycled. if this is incorrect please do let me know ( and my point becomes moot ). All that being said - i agree that people should recycle . You are right that one person wont fix the world but when collectives make the effort its possible to see a positive impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Flooding in Dubai a few weeks ago was caused by cloud seeding. The storm unexpectedly changed direction and dumped torrential rain on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Cambon said: Flooding in Dubai a few weeks ago was caused by cloud seeding. The storm unexpectedly changed direction and dumped torrential rain on them. Yes. Also much more extreme than a natural storm. Of course the news says its a myth. The alternative would obviously be very overwhelming to some people. (Governments have blood on their hands). This guy succintly summarises the medias attitude to stories like this: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6AHABIty0z/?igsh=MW1kZnJtNDRpczkwNA== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Foil hats are waterproof, though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 3 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said: Foil hats are waterproof, though 11 minutes ago, HeteroErectus said: The alternative would obviously be very overwhelming to some people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 5 hours ago, Harry Lamb said: Foil hats are waterproof, though "One passenger died of a heart attack and 30 more were injured when Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 hit severe turbulence early on Wednesday morning". A report from the University of Reading last year suggested turbulence could worsen with climate change: "Our latest future projections indicate a doubling or trebling of severe turbulence in the jet streams in the coming decades if the climate continues to change as we expect," said Professor of Atmospheric Science Paul Williams, one of the authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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