Is climate change a fraud?

[FatRoundMiddle]

16 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

This isn’t the one, but it’s an interesting read: https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

Project 2025[edit]

CEI is a member of the advisory board of Project 2025,^[23] a collection of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from the Heritage Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and consolidate executive power should the Republican nominee win the 2024 presidential election.^[24]

[TheTeapot]

Memes > facts

[The Voice of Reason]

17 hours ago, The Phantom said:

Yeah but fish don't complain.... 

 

Yes they do

https://www.facebook.com/share/tKzx5Rdvqo64vYEA/?mibextid=WC7FNe

Edited July 9 by The Voice of Reason

[Roger Mexico]

12 hours ago, WTF said:

well the experts thought the world was flat for quite a while , at longer than decades , experts come and go.

I suspect Chinahand was looking for something slightly more recent as an example.  But as it happens you're wrong anyway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

The earliest clear documentation of the idea of a spherical Earth comes from the ancient Greeks (5th century BC). The belief was widespread in the Greek world when Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of Earth around 240 BC. This knowledge spread with Greek influence such that during the Early Middle Ages (~600–1000 AD), most European and Middle Eastern scholars espoused Earth's sphericity. Belief in a flat Earth among educated Europeans was almost nonexistent from the Late Middle Ages onward

So the 'experts' all knew that the Earth was round.  It was the medieval equivalents of Stu Peters that claimed the Earth was flat.

[WTF]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

I suspect Chinahand was looking for something slightly more recent as an example.  But as it happens you're wrong anyway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

The earliest clear documentation of the idea of a spherical Earth comes from the ancient Greeks (5th century BC). The belief was widespread in the Greek world when Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of Earth around 240 BC. This knowledge spread with Greek influence such that during the Early Middle Ages (~600–1000 AD), most European and Middle Eastern scholars espoused Earth's sphericity. Belief in a flat Earth among educated Europeans was almost nonexistent from the Late Middle Ages onward

So the 'experts' all knew that the Earth was round.  It was the medieval equivalents of Stu Peters that claimed the Earth was flat.

humanity has been around for more than 3000 years and the advent of documentation .  

[The Phantom]

3 hours ago, WTF said:

humanity has been around for more than 3000 years and the advent of documentation .  

Seems everyone was pretty dumb before the Greeks however.  Unless you believe some of Graham Hancock's stuff?  Fingerprints of the Gods et al. We may be regressing. 

I was actually reading some stuff on their fabled journey to Thule and the Arctic a couple of weeks ago.  Now that was interesting. 

[2112]

Another priceless comment from CM Cannan regarding wind power renewable energy, whereby wind power is cheaper, but is cancelled out by the high infrastructure costs - which no doubt everyone will be paying for decades. Let’s face it, IOMG hasn’t a good track record on infrastructure projects, keeping to timeframe and budget, and providing value for money, to homeowners and taxpayers alike. From the NPM -

Questions are being asked about whether onshore renewable energy will bring down the price of electricity on the Island.

The chief minister has told Tynwald he believes it would be cheaper.

However, Manx Utilities says while the cost of generating a unit of electricity from wind can be lower, the total system costs for renewable power is expected to be higher.

Alfred Cannan was asked if he's worried consumers won't actually see savings:

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Another priceless comment from CM Cannan regarding wind power renewable energy, whereby wind power is cheaper, but is cancelled out by the high infrastructure costs - which no doubt everyone will be paying for decades. Let’s face it, IOMG hasn’t a good track record on infrastructure projects, keeping to timeframe and budget, and providing value for money, to homeowners and taxpayers alike. From the NPM -

 

Questions are being asked about whether onshore renewable energy will bring down the price of electricity on the Island.

The chief minister has told Tynwald he believes it would be cheaper.

However, Manx Utilities says while the cost of generating a unit of electricity from wind can be lower, the total system costs for renewable power is expected to be higher.

Alfred Cannan was asked if he's worried consumers won't actually see savings:

I suspect, initially, it will be cheaper, keeping in mind MU recently doubled the price per unit, whilst gas price is virtually at an all time low. However, when they realise what an incredible mistake they have made at our expense, the price will go up higher than if is now. 

[finlo]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Another priceless comment from CM Cannan regarding wind power renewable energy, whereby wind power is cheaper, but is cancelled out by the high infrastructure costs - which no doubt everyone will be paying for decades. Let’s face it, IOMG hasn’t a good track record on infrastructure projects, keeping to timeframe and budget, and providing value for money, to homeowners and taxpayers alike. From the NPM -

 

Questions are being asked about whether onshore renewable energy will bring down the price of electricity on the Island.

The chief minister has told Tynwald he believes it would be cheaper.

However, Manx Utilities says while the cost of generating a unit of electricity from wind can be lower, the total system costs for renewable power is expected to be higher.

Alfred Cannan was asked if he's worried consumers won't actually see savings:

It was only ever going to be cheaper for the MUA not us!

[cissolt]

7 minutes ago, finlo said:

It was only ever going to be cheaper for the MUA not us!

They have a 500 million debt!  Moving everyone to full electric for heating and vehicles has nothing to do with climate change, it's purely to service the debt.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/public-are-being-mislead-over-reasons-for-electricity-hike/

 

 

[Non-Believer]

Even if it is cheaper to generate (eventually), the MUA debt will cancel out any savings to the consumer. Consumers are not the priority in this project.

Our consumer electricity will not be coming down in price any time soon. If ever.

[Happier diner]

15 hours ago, finlo said:

It was only ever going to be cheaper for the MUA not us!

It will only be cheaper once the capital cost of the wind farm is paid off. Once it is then there is no reason why it shouldn't be cheaper. 

[WTF]

31 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

It will only be cheaper once the capital cost of the wind farm is paid off. Once it is then there is no reason why it shouldn't be cheaper. 

by the time that is paid off ( bearing in mind that the power station we have now won't be paid off before its supposed end of life )  the next upgrade necessity will need funding.  there will never be a time when a loan isn't being paid off somewhere or other.

[finlo]

2 hours ago, Happier diner said:

It will only be cheaper once the capital cost of the wind farm is paid off. Once it is then there is no reason why it shouldn't be cheaper. 

Are you familiar with the term cashcow?

[Happier diner]

41 minutes ago, finlo said:

Are you familiar with the term cashcow?

Yes. Not applicable in this situation. The MUA are wholly owned by government and would not be able to get away with it even if it was making cash.

Bow Orsted - Thats a different kettle of fish