Is climate change a fraud?

[Gladys]

4 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Aha.  Even for us, I thought this was a massive joke. 

Yes, I thought so too and was ready to start a rant!  Phew! 

[woolley]

On 7/26/2024 at 10:12 PM, Anyone said:

Of course climate change is a fraud , that MHK blokey type says it is so it’s a fraud.

Whether it's a fraud or not, we're certainly not making any difference to the outcome. That much we can say with confidence.

[Stu Peters]

When governments around the world are spending trillions to ‘combat’ climate change and make zero difference to it, this blokey MHK can see that the Emperor is butt naked. Watching a US Senate Committee hearing recently from an ‘athlete for net zero’. He was asked what the benefit would be of spending trillions. He had no idea, but still thought the USG should press ahead. Brainwashed.

But then ‘we’re probably all right wing extremists now’. Graham Linehan or Armando Iannucci couldn’t have written about a more damning lurch to totalitarianism than that of the new UK government, and climate change is just a part of that. Give us all your money and we’ll fix the world. My arse.

[A fool and his money.....]

47 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

Give us all your money and we’ll fix the world. My arse.

In contrast to the current Manx government's "give us all your money and we'll fix f#*k all.

[thommo2010]

Whether you agree with it or not the mainstream narrative is it's real and the only way to combat it is to throw loads of money at it. If you disagree then you're just a climate denier and you will be shouted down. 

[Max Power]

It's just another way of controlling us all, by keeping us living in fear through various means, whether it's a virus, climate, wars, immigration, far right etc etc. We could do a lot worse than depose those who propagate these things! 

[HeliX]

3 hours ago, Max Power said:

It's just another way of controlling us all, by keeping us living in fear through various means, whether it's a virus, climate, wars, immigration, far right etc etc. We could do a lot worse than depose those who propagate these things! 

In what way have you been controlled by climate change? Those other things are all demonstrably real so not sure what you're getting at.

[Chinahand]

Gawd, it is fascinating. 

People like Stu Peters, who could no more explain what a radiative forcing is than a cat, are living embodiments of the Dunning Kruger effect.

Yeah of course it's all a government plot to control us.

Not real at all:

Why oh why do people behave like this?

Then we have the Wolley's of this world, it's pointless we cannot change anything.

But per capita carbon emissions are now dropping:

The technologies to provide sustainable energy have been transformative in the last 10 years. What has happened in photovoltaic and wind power energy has clearly shown sustainable pathways beyond fossil fuels.

I suspect the paywall will stop people reading this but it just shows the lie that we are powerless, the reality is the world is moving to a sustainable power mix:

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/06/20/the-exponential-growth-of-solar-power-will-change-the-world

Solar panels now occupy an area around half that of Wales, and this year they will provide the world with about 6% of its electricity—which is almost three times as much electrical energy as America consumed back in 1954.

To call solar power’s rise exponential is not hyperbole, but a statement of fact. Installed solar capacity doubles roughly every three years, and so grows ten-fold each decade. Such sustained growth is seldom seen in anything that matters. That makes it hard for people to get their heads round what is going on. When it was a tenth of its current size ten years ago, solar power was still seen as marginal even by experts who knew how fast it had grown. The next ten-fold increase will be equivalent to multiplying the world’s entire fleet of nuclear reactors by eight in less than the time it typically takes to build just a single one of them.

Solar cells will in all likelihood be the single biggest source of electrical power on the planet by the mid 2030s. By the 2040s they may be the largest source not just of electricity but of all energy. On current trends, the all-in cost of the electricity they produce promises to be less than half as expensive as the cheapest available today.

The resources needed to produce solar cells and plant them on solar farms are silicon-rich sand, sunny places and human ingenuity, all three of which are abundant.

The Island is one of the wealthiest societies in existence. It is in our interests that every country in the world brings their energy policies into a sustainable pathway.

Using the abundant wind energy we have both inland and in our coastal waters and using interconnectors between the UK and Ireland to balance demand would be beneficial and will reduce our dependence on the increasing geopolitics over gas and oil as the major powers try to ensure they don't have stranded assets.

The world is changing, CO2 emissions are changing the climate, but equally renewable energy is competitive in replacing fossil fuels. Luddites and do nothings will get left behind. 

 

 

Edited September 7 by Chinahand

[thommo2010]

2 hours ago, HeliX said:

In what way have you been controlled by climate change? Those other things are all demonstrably real so not sure what you're getting at.

At some point no doubt like covid there will be a mandate to stay home because of extreme weather

[HeliX]

15 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

At some point no doubt like covid there will be a mandate to stay home because of extreme weather

What's going to create the extreme weather if it's fake?

[Chinahand]

20 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

At some point no doubt like covid there will be a mandate to stay home because of extreme weather

Erm ... Such warnings are quite common. 

https://www.weather.gov/safety/hurricane-ww#:~:text=Hurricane Warning%3A Hurricane conditions (sustained,All preparations should be complete.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2024-09-07

Are you trying to say they aren't a good idea?

[Chinahand]

This is a nice discussion from Gavin Schmidt over at RealClimate on some recent science trying to understand how the climate reacts to changing CO2 levels. 

It's a good honest take on doing difficult science looking at the factors which might have changed the climate over a 15 million year period. Regressions and error bars and uncertainty are the meat & drink of good science and the slow increase in the precision of our understanding central to the advancement of science. 

Stu Peters can sneer all he likes but in understanding the consequences of our doubling of CO2 levels due to burning fossil fuels I'll take Gavin Schmidt's details over Stu Peters gutt any time. 

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2024/08/oh-my-oh-miocene/

[Cambon]

48 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

This is a nice discussion from Gavin Schmidt over at RealClimate on some recent science trying to understand how the climate reacts to changing CO2 levels. 

It's a good honest take on doing difficult science looking at the factors which might have changed the climate over a 15 million year period. Regressions and error bars and uncertainty are the meat & drink of good science and the slow increase in the precision of our understanding central to the advancement of science. 

Stu Peters can sneer all he likes but in understanding the consequences of our doubling of CO2 levels due to burning fossil fuels I'll take Gavin Schmidt's details over Stu Peters gutt any time. 

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2024/08/oh-my-oh-miocene/

Great info, Chinahand.   However, the problem is simple. The Earth’s population has grown from 1 Billion to 8 Billion in less than 100 years. In fact, nearly half of those 8 Billion were born this century / millennium. Mother Nature will sort it out. Nobody else can. 

[Chinahand]

That's why I put up the per capita figure. 

Basically the world has got to improve it's renewable technology (decrease per capita output) faster than population growth over the next 50 years. Then with the world population stabilising things get simpler. 

All the doom mongers both on the dark-green and on the there's-no-point sides are ignoring just what technology can do and has done. 

With a will a crisis can be averted. Ignoring it, or introducing dark green policies will make it worse. 

[Expat.]

10 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

When governments around the world are spending trillions to ‘combat’ climate change and make zero difference to it, this blokey MHK can see that the Emperor is butt naked. Watching a US Senate Committee hearing recently from an ‘athlete for net zero’. He was asked what the benefit would be of spending trillions. He had no idea, but still thought the USG should press ahead. Brainwashed.

But then ‘we’re probably all right wing extremists now’. Graham Linehan or Armando Iannucci couldn’t have written about a more damning lurch to totalitarianism than that of the new UK government, and climate change is just a part of that. Give us all your money and we’ll fix the world. My arse.

Your arse hasn't got much to do with it, other than your life long habit of talking out of it. The Paris accord signed up to by 192 countries agreed to spend $100 billion on climate financing. The problem is the same world governments spend $2.7 trillion subsidising activities which make the problem worse, so yeah, zero difference. Your position is to point blank deny that there's a problem, which is fine, but it doesn't alter the fact that over 99% of scientists working in the field are certain that there is a problem. In other words more scientists are certain that the world has a climate problem than there are who think smoking causes cancer.

I know you're schtik is to carve out a position as the Isle of Man's Nigel Farage mini me  but what the recent change in Government in some other country has to do with you is beyond me when your supposed to be running your own country. You neatly demonstrate that it isn't lurching into totalitarianism by criticising it for existing and then going about your daily business.