Is climate change a fraud?

[HiVibes]

9 hours ago, Max Power said:

It's just another way of controlling us all, by keeping us living in fear through various means, whether it's a virus, climate, wars, immigration, far right etc etc. We could do a lot worse than depose those who propagate these things! 

Er, its not a fear if it is happening? And do you get controlled really, like Stu Peters you repeat any old right wing dribble that some drunk old racist down the pubs tells you is FACT, but no one stops you, how are you being controlled?

[Casta]

To no one in particular, but there is a well known saying: Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

[Happier diner]

12 hours ago, Cambon said:

Mother Nature will sort it out. Nobody else can. 

Oh dear 😟

[Max Power]

20 hours ago, HeliX said:

In what way have you been controlled by climate change? Those other things are all demonstrably real so not sure what you're getting at.

 

14 hours ago, HiVibes said:

Er, its not a fear if it is happening? And do you get controlled really, like Stu Peters you repeat any old right wing dribble that some drunk old racist down the pubs tells you is FACT, but no one stops you, how are you being controlled?

You are being controlled financially at the moment, surcharges on energy, travel, food etc etc. 

When the Labour government switches back to the ban on ICEs by 2030, you will slowly become restricted to living within a certain radius of your home. Travelling further afield by car will become difficult. Do you believe that public transport will be able to cope, and be reasonably priced?  That's just the beginning, but you don't have to take my word for it. 

You accept things as you like, just as the vast majority do, but don't ask me to believe in governments who grasp at straws.

 

[RoundTheCourse]

2 hours ago, Max Power said:

 

You are being controlled financially at the moment, surcharges on energy, travel, food etc etc. 

When the Labour government switches back to the ban on ICEs by 2030, you will slowly become restricted to living within a certain radius of your home. Travelling further afield by car will become difficult. Do you believe that public transport will be able to cope, and be reasonably priced?  That's just the beginning, but you don't have to take my word for it. 

You accept things as you like, just as the vast majority do, but don't ask me to believe in governments who grasp at straws.

 

Who's Labour government do you refer to?

[Chinahand]

Do you feel you are being controlled financially by fossil fuel companies taking a share of your taxes Max?

https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies

$2.55 billion was provided just to the UK fossil fuel industry in 2021

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fossil-fuel-subsidies

For the World as a whole it is over $700 billion.

Why should we subsidize expensive polluting fuels?

Be very very careful with the information provided by people who Stu Peters associates with. It is out of date and misses a lot of information.

[Boo Gay'n]

On 9/7/2024 at 11:55 AM, Stu Peters said:

When governments around the world are spending trillions to ‘combat’ climate change and make zero difference to it, this blokey MHK can see that the Emperor is butt naked. Watching a US Senate Committee hearing recently from an ‘athlete for net zero’. He was asked what the benefit would be of spending trillions. He had no idea, but still thought the USG should press ahead. Brainwashed.

But then ‘we’re probably all right wing extremists now’. Graham Linehan or Armando Iannucci couldn’t have written about a more damning lurch to totalitarianism than that of the new UK government, and climate change is just a part of that. Give us all your money and we’ll fix the world. My arse.

I think that your attempt to characterise this as a left/right political issue is plainly stupid.  We need to have a properly informed debate as communities/societies/countries etc. to determine what our options are, and then do something.  Your position that any action will make 'zero difference' is ill-informed tripe - sadly, taken by so many others too.

[Gladys]

As pointed out above the rapidly expanding population isn't helping either. Don't know what is to be done on that score, without some repellent action, but there has to be a tipping point where we will reproduce ourselves to extinction. 

[Happier diner]

33 minutes ago, Gladys said:

we will reproduce ourselves to extinction. 

Sounds fun. 👍

[Happier diner]

33 minutes ago, Gladys said:

As pointed out above the rapidly expanding population isn't helping either. Don't know what is to be done on that score, without some repellent action, but there has to be a tipping point where we will reproduce ourselves to extinction. 

Maybe that's the mother nature that @Cambon was talking about. 

Being serious though, yes it's almost certain. However @Chinahand has made the good point that CO2 emissions are reducing despite the increasing population and the per capita is much lower. So to just give up hope and bury our head in the sand is probably not the best option for humanity.

[Cambon]

8 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Maybe that's the mother nature that @Cambon was talking about. 

Being serious though, yes it's almost certain. However @Chinahand has made the good point that CO2 emissions are reducing despite the increasing population and the per capita is much lower. So to just give up hope and bury our head in the sand is probably not the best option for humanity.

Of course the “per capita” is lower. Nearly four billion people born in the last 25 years. Most of them in countries and regions where CO2 output is low. Most of whom are too young to drive, if they even have the need or ambition to do so. 

Edited September 8 by Cambon

[Happier diner]

26 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Of course the “per capita” is lower. Nearly four billion people born in the last 25 years. Most of them in countries and regions where CO2 output is low. Most of whom are too young to drive, if they even have the need or ambition to do so. 

Usual crap that you can't substantiate. I reckon the opposite it true. The absolute opposite. Do you think all these extra billions are all swinging in the trees in the jungle?

[WTF]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

but there has to be a tipping point where we will reproduce ourselves to extinction. 

i've been ahead of the curve there for quite a while then , i have been known to tell people to go fuck themselves.

[Chinahand]

It's not population growth. It is rapidly decreasing carbon intensity of economic activity:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-intensity?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

[Mercenary]

4 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

It's not population growth. It is rapidly decreasing carbon intensity of economic activity:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-intensity?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

AKA "de-coaling"