TT 2023

[Dr Beeching]

5 minutes ago, Ativa said:

Just go away then.  It’s not like people don’t know it’s coming.

 

4 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Set off earlier.

Constructive advice as always 😂

[Ringy Rose]

57 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

But like I said Higgin was driving a 1.5T road car.

That scooby was many things but it wasn’t a road car. It was a purpose-built racing cross between a rally car and a touring car.

I do reckon the right car would be faster than the bikes though. Macau is the best place to compare, and the GT3 lap record there is 6 seconds faster than the superbike record. The superbike record is faster than the touring car record though.

[HeliX]

8 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

That scooby was many things but it wasn’t a road car. It was a purpose-built racing cross between a rally car and a touring car.

I do reckon the right car would be faster than the bikes though. Macau is the best place to compare, and the GT3 lap record there is 6 seconds faster than the superbike record. The superbike record is faster than the touring car record though.

Macau is a much slower circuit though. GT3s definitely don't have the top speed required to beat the bikes round the TT course. Too much of it is wide open. Would need to be something that can easily pull 190+, but there aren't many of those!

[WTF]

51 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Set off earlier.

use alternative routes is the usual government BS when they are doing roadworks.

[Happier diner]

21 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

That scooby was many things but it wasn’t a road car. It was a purpose-built racing cross between a rally car and a touring car.

I do reckon the right car would be faster than the bikes though. Macau is the best place to compare, and the GT3 lap record there is 6 seconds faster than the superbike record. The superbike record is faster than the touring car record though.

Wasnt it a Subaru WRX STI. That's a road car surely. 

[HeliX]

19 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Wasnt it a Subaru WRX STI. That's a road car surely. 

Not quite...

The purpose-built 600bhp, 2.0-litre turbocharged 2016 Subaru WRX STI Time Attack car has a top speed of 180mph and weighs 1,175kg. The model is a joint development of Subaru of America, Inc. and Prodrive, with technical assistance provided by Subaru Tecnica International (STI).

https://subarumedia.co.uk/en-gb/releases/359

[cissolt]

4 hours ago, La Colombe said:

A TT rider has been let off by police after being caught riding at 'dramatically higher speeds than permitted' on Manx roads. This seems slightly at odds with the message the police try to broadcast. Is it one law for racers and another for the rest of us?

Judging by the police social media accounts, they are revelling in the locals being stopped. Not quite this forgiving for residents. 

Did the Ferrari driver who crashed on the private closed roads session receive any punishment?  Was he drug tested?

[thommo2010]

1 hour ago, HeliX said:

Set off earlier.

kind of hard to set off earlier when I drop the kids to school or do you suggest I open the school earlier?

[HeliX]

Just now, thommo2010 said:

kind of hard to set off earlier when I drop the kids to school or do you suggest I open the school earlier?

Make them walk to school in the rain uphill both ways like it was back in my day.

[Happier diner]

17 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Not quite...

The purpose-built 600bhp, 2.0-litre turbocharged 2016 Subaru WRX STI Time Attack car has a top speed of 180mph and weighs 1,175kg. The model is a joint development of Subaru of America, Inc. and Prodrive, with technical assistance provided by Subaru Tecnica International (STI).

https://subarumedia.co.uk/en-gb/releases/359

You are missing the point. Its a monocoque shell exactly the same as the road car. Yes from that point on its heavily modified. But its roots are that of a road car. Its heavy and big. It has an engine in the front just like a road car. A formula one car bears no relevance to a road car. Its build from scratch, completely. Its made from a carbon fibre composite chassis. It has no roots of a road car.

If a TT car was built from scratch it would bear no resemblance from the Subaru that Higgins drove. It could be faster and lighter. Much faster and much lighter.

Don't forget that F! car design is strictly regulated and has to be done within a spec that is designed to stop it being too fast. If was an unregulated spec they would be much faster. An F1 car has to carry ballast to make its weight up to a minimum.

Coultards F! car was faster than Martins bike over 4 laps by.... 1 lap and 13 seconds. That's massively faster. I agree the gap would close on the TT course as its more suited to a bike than a circuit. But a custom made car could be faster

[Border Reiver]

Re: The rider with the positive drug screening test. Metabolites of drugs can linger in the body for a long time after ingestion or inhalation.

For example, a regular cannabis user can have detectable levels of the metabolite Tetrahydrocannabinol in their urine over a fortnight after their last usage. 
They may not be ‘shit-faced’ /intoxicated  at the time of their race and it might be safe for them to race, but the rules are there for good reason

[Max Power]

A bit about the TT on TalkSport fromabout 21.20 with Mat Oxley on the risks and safety. 

 https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1685448000/1685457000/

[Ghost Ship]

This would be fun to see.  Bit wide maybe...

 

[Ghost Ship]

4 hours ago, The Phantom said:

It would be interesting to compare them like for like, for instance overlaying the bike and car footage and data.  Higgins wasn't far off the bike record. 

A bike will always be faster accelerating and breaking.  A car will be faster round the corners (basically double the grip) and usually higher top speed (assuming it's a very fast car).  The bit I'm curious about is the gearing of the car.  Rally cars generally have pretty high gearing for faster acceleration and are usually maxed out at around 140mph. 

... low gearing for acceleration, shirley?

[Max Power]

2 hours ago, Ativa said:

It’s actually pretty easy to prove.

Race sims are pretty accurate now with actual drivers getting within a tenth or two off what they do on an actual circuit in the same vehicle.

The TT course is available and you can drive it in any car at home.

I am not skilled enough to do it, but I know people who can break the TT record in various different cars

The problem with sims is that there is no risk to manage and no dynamic forces telling your body that things are right or wrong. 

Years ago World Champion on two and four wheels, John Surtees said that a car with the same power to weight ratio as a bike would always be faster around the Mountain Course. He was probably right.