Asthehills Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 2/1/2023 at 8:51 PM, offshoremanxman said: The TT entertainment being like a morgue was quite ironic though. The TT entertainment is now is Laxey, Peel, Ramsey, Port Erin and on the various campsites. The days of the TT evenings being focused on Douglas went when all the hotels closed and visitors switched to home stay and campsites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, wrighty said: Racing Incident. Died doing what they love. Great guys, sorely missed in the paddock etc. etc. Not that I've read the report, or know that one's even been done, just speculating that nothing will change. Pretty much. Add also the fact that in each case they were obviously travelling more quickly than either they/their outfit were capable of for that section, as can be seen by the fact that hundreds of other laps were completed without incident. The responsibility to get around safely ultimately lies with the person choosing the line and twisting throttle 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 39 minutes ago, wrighty said: Racing Incident. Died doing what they love. Great guys, sorely missed in the paddock etc. etc. Not that I've read the report, or know that one's even been done, just speculating that nothing will change. Not even your comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 51 minutes ago, Asthehills said: Pretty much. Add also the fact that in each case they were obviously travelling more quickly than either they/their outfit were capable of for that section, as can be seen by the fact that hundreds of other laps were completed without incident. The responsibility to get around safely ultimately lies with the person choosing the line and twisting throttle Oh dear. Same accident. Same place. Beyond coincidence. In racing minutes, within minutes of each other. Sidecars did hardly any laps safely. Whoever has the responsibility for signing it off as OK for more racing by sidecars without any changes is either brave or foolish or simply doesn't care. Most likely all of those things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Oh dear. Same accident. Same place. Beyond coincidence. In racing minutes, within minutes of each other. Sidecars did hardly any laps safely. Whoever has the responsibility for signing it off as OK for more racing by sidecars without any changes is either brave or foolish or simply doesn't care. Most likely all of those things. If they had been going a bit slower they would have been ok. There are plenty of places where you will “probably” be ok if you pin it, but where many calculate the risk and decide to back off a bit. It is possibly to do with the new road surface, but there is no question that had those two outfits been going at lower speed there wouldn’t have been the issues. That is the driver’s miscalculation, end of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, Asthehills said: If they had been going a bit slower they would have been ok. There are plenty of places where you will “probably” be ok if you pin it, but where many calculate the risk and decide to back off a bit. It is possibly to do with the new road surface, but there is no question that had those two outfits been going at lower speed there wouldn’t have been the issues. That is the driver’s miscalculation, end of. Both drivers made the exact same error in exactly the same place within a very short time and they were both sidecar outfits? And all we have have to offer in explanation is that they were going too fast. No shit sherlock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Racing Incident. Died doing what they love. Great guys, sorely missed in the paddock etc. etc. Not that I've read the report, or know that one's even been done, just speculating that nothing will change. Care to comment on the FACT THAT YOUR HOSPITAL WAS UNDER STAFFED DURING THE TT 2022 period as per the question replies in your parliament. Having said that, how do the ACU sign off the TT as safe races when they know know the medical cover for the inevitable serious body destroying, body amputating type crashes DO NOT HAVE DECENT STAFFING OF THE HOSPITAL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Care to comment on the FACT THAT YOUR HOSPITAL WAS UNDER STAFFED DURING THE TT 2022 period as per the question replies in your parliament. Having said that, how do the ACU sign off the TT as safe races when they know know the medical cover for the inevitable serious body destroying, body amputating type crashes DO NOT HAVE DECENT STAFFING OF THE HOSPITAL? Not sure it was wrighty's fault the hospital was/is understaffed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Whoever has the responsibility for signing it off as OK for more racing by sidecars without any changes is either brave or foolish or simply doesn't care. Most likely all of those things. Ultimately they don't have to be brave or foolish as there is and never will be any accountability or consequences for their actions. You could have the whole grid fail to return safely and nothing would change. Edited February 3, 2023 by 0bserver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Sounds like someone’s desperate to drum up publicity for their website. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Care to comment on the FACT THAT YOUR HOSPITAL WAS UNDER STAFFED DURING THE TT 2022 period as per the question replies in your parliament. Having said that, how do the ACU sign off the TT as safe races when they know know the medical cover for the inevitable serious body destroying, body amputating type crashes DO NOT HAVE DECENT STAFFING OF THE HOSPITAL? I don't think that they were understaffed? Wrighty will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that they have staff drafted in during the fortnight to bolster the defences? The CMO checks with Nobles before practice and racing to ensure that they are ready. He informs the CoC and his decision is based on the information he is given. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Blade Runner said: Care to comment on the FACT THAT YOUR HOSPITAL WAS UNDER STAFFED DURING THE TT 2022 period as per the question replies in your parliament. Not sure that it’s actually Wrighty’s hospital…or, indeed, Wrighty’s parliament. He works in the hospital and is NOT an MHK…(not yet, anyway…) Edited February 3, 2023 by Jarndyce Prognostication 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Care to comment on the FACT THAT YOUR HOSPITAL WAS UNDER STAFFED DURING THE TT 2022 period as per the question replies in your parliament. Having said that, how do the ACU sign off the TT as safe races when they know know the medical cover for the inevitable serious body destroying, body amputating type crashes DO NOT HAVE DECENT STAFFING OF THE HOSPITAL? Calm down Mr Shouty! Prior to each practice and each race there is a hospital ‘huddle’ where the senior people for each department declare that they are staffed and have capacity to deal with incoming trauma. Most of the major stuff is patched up and shipped out anyway, so whether there are enough nurses on a medical ward is barely relevant. Having said that, no amount of staff or available beds helps if the rider comes apart at the scene. It ain’t a lack of medical and nursing cover that makes the races dangerous. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I assume that the greatest pressure on the hospital during a TT will be if a bike or sidecar lifts off and hits a grandstand. It seems to me that in recent years, as a result of a small number of spectators being involved in accidents, the spectators have been moved from a scattering of people in the ditches to grouping them together in grandstands. These grandstands are all far closer to the track than at any racing circuit. I thought it was safer overall to leave people in the ditches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, wrighty said: It ain’t a lack of medical and nursing cover that makes the races dangerous. Is it illiterate medical staff that can't tell Delilah from Delia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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