Asthehills Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, Declan said: It's weird that a Mountain Pass is turned into a motorcycle racing track and motorway for two weeks. But once you accept that initial decision its common sense to ban cycling and walking during that period. The TT is an extreme event, once you start from a strange position common sense will take you some odd places, like banning walking beside a country road. I guess communally the Island accepts the TT and the weird situations that follow. You would have to be bonkers to walk on the road up there any day of the year to be honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, HiVibes said: Perhaps a little harsh but I get where you are coming from. i'm sure you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Yibble said: Indeed. With apologies for being a bit of a bore on the issue of 'secret' law'*, I also had a hunt for a Temporary Traffic Regulation Notice which I presumed would set out details of exactly what was prohibited by the one-way-over-the-mountain restrictions. I couldn't find one. The DoI's "TT Festival 2023 ROAD CLOSURE INFORMATION" document makes no mention of restrictions on predestrians. Why is this information so hard to find? There is little point in making rules / law if it is kept a secret. It's also not great if law is communicated by hearsay only as that tends to end up with miscommunication and misunderstanding. I may have a bee in my bonnet here, but in week where we've seen a visitor locked up, having their property destroyed, fined £3,000 and told in court that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse or any defence", failure to provide easy access to relevant law does seem to me to be quite an important issue. *awaiting details of the s16 Road Races Act 2016 direction / notice giving effect to temporary exemption from normal road traffic rules. I think you're overlooking the Herberts (Special Provisions) Act of 1963. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxchester Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: There may be two problems here. The first is that people may assume that, because the racing and TT fortnight is over, the restrictions no longer apply, while in fact they continue on Sunday and Monday (on Tuesday the road is closed to remove signage). The second is that it's not clear that walking is banned (as opposed to unwise) anyway. I couldn't find the actual order at all and all the publicity warning people off just mentions bicycles, which weren't actually banned till some years after the one-way was instituted in any case. So it's possible walking may be legal if daft. Though maybe not as daft as turning a section of public road into a racetrack for amateurs. Walkers may also not see signage because the Mountain Road intersects with various footpaths and they may just be using a section of it to link between two. I'm pretty sure when the first incident occurred I'm sure the police statement mentioned it wasn't actually illegal to walk up there, I'll try and find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyNoMates Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, GreyWolf said: Yeah it is, as long as there not driving everywhere at 10/15 mph and they’ve paid a huge chunk in tax to use the road, bit touchy fella. road tax is not just for roads or it would be a toll and speed is irrlevant. both types of road users have a right to be there just car drivers like you dont like it. people cycling not ok big polluting car ok. makes no real sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, wrighty said: And for the period of TT for which the mountain section is one-way and de-restricted, my understanding is that the rules are similar to those on a UK motorway, including no push-bikes, no pedestrians. What's weird about that? The people doing it are either too stupid to know about the rules, or so stupid that they think they should make a point by walking into oncoming motorbikes going 160mph+ I wasn't talking about when the one way is on. Whether I agree or not, that's legislation and therefore there is no argument. The post that you quoted seemed to be speaking about roads in general and where there are no speed limits. You could still cycle, walk, run, trek from the Creg down to Johnny Watterson's quite legally. You wouldn't and that's because you would fear for your life. Is that right? Not sure if that bit was a 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Would be good to see the 'evidence based approach' to this restriction, as far as I am aware the deaths on the mountain road are usually old chuffs on bikes wobbling off, or car drivers dozing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 The 2023 TT will be remembered as one of the best ever. My observation led me to believe visitor numbers were down overall but very difficult to assess without the official figures and the fact race fans are spread all over the Island now camping. The Trackside was excellent in the sun once more but they STILL haven't addressed the lack of toilets - very poor. The financial income to local businesses cannot be understated - I hope everyone made a killing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 40 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I wasn't talking about when the one way is on. Whether I agree or not, that's legislation and therefore there is no argument. The post that you quoted seemed to be speaking about roads in general and where there are no speed limits. You could still cycle, walk, run, trek from the Creg down to Johnny Watterson's quite legally. You wouldn't and that's because you would fear for your life. Is that right? Not sure if that bit was a 50 I was talking about the Mountain one-way over TT. I agree with you otherwise - the anomaly is the unlimited speeds on some country roads, not the presence of pedestrians/cyclists/horses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: The Trackside was excellent in the sun once more but they STILL haven't addressed the lack of toilets - very poor. You guy's any excuse for an alfresco shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, manxchester said: I'm pretty sure when the first incident occurred I'm sure the police statement mentioned it wasn't actually illegal to walk up there, I'll try and find it. I don't think walking on the mountain section is illegal, but it is unwise which is porobably what the police were telling the walker. They would have closed the road so that they could pull over and park safely while talking to him and point out what a daft thing it was and take him to somewhere safe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, kevster said: I don't think walking on the mountain section is illegal, but it is unwise which is porobably what the police were telling the walker. They would have closed the road so that they could pull over and park safely while talking to him and point out what a daft thing it was and take him to somewhere safe He's an odd looking bloke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 9 hours ago, wrighty said: It's not really. Same would happen in the UK if someone was walking along the M6. Some people are just stupid. You might not like motorbikes going at ludicrous speeds on open roads - I don't particularly - but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to walk amongst them. It might not be a good idea, let's be honest here, nothing about the one way unrestricted mountain road is, but why should pedestrians or cyclists or whatever be afforded any more protection from their own stupidity than motorcyclists? It's discriminatory and promotes the normalisation of hatred and ridicule towards certain road user groups. Besides which, she wasn't exactly walking down the centre of the road. I can't see anything wrong with doing what she was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, La Colombe said: He's an odd looking bloke. aren't they all these days , the non blokes are even worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 There seem to be quite a few people already struggling to get the travel and accommodation they want for next year. Good news for the event and lots of local businesses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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