Yibble Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I wonder if this case coming before court will shed any light on where the DoI published the relevant (secondary) legislation and statutory documents relating to road closures for the races? I remain interested to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I get the impression that the way that the DoI has published (or not) all its regulations etc, including for things such as road works or speed limits has always been fairly shonky and based on the old Manx principle of "everyone knows it anyway". So having it legally tested will be interesting. On another TT topic I came across this FoI from March (ref: 3004553): How much has the insurance for the TT races cost since 2011? 2011: £218.210 2012: £239,490.50 2013: £269,286 2014: £322,159 2015: £256,268 2016: £298,545 2017: £213,089 2018: £270,000 2019: £270,000 2022: £778,000* *Includes insurance for TT, MGP and S100 events What are the predicted costs for the next five years? The costs for the 2023 motorsport events cover (to cover the TT, MGP and S100 events) is set at £1,029,804. The Department does not hold information in regards to predicted costs. There's also the various policy documents involved if people want to explore, showing maximum compensation etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 49 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: I get the impression that the way that the DoI has published (or not) all its regulations etc, including for things such as road works or speed limits has always been fairly shonky and based on the old Manx principle of "everyone knows it anyway". So having it legally tested will be interesting. On another TT topic I came across this FoI from March (ref: 3004553): How much has the insurance for the TT races cost since 2011? 2011: £218.210 2012: £239,490.50 2013: £269,286 2014: £322,159 2015: £256,268 2016: £298,545 2017: £213,089 2018: £270,000 2019: £270,000 2022: £778,000* *Includes insurance for TT, MGP and S100 events What are the predicted costs for the next five years? The costs for the 2023 motorsport events cover (to cover the TT, MGP and S100 events) is set at £1,029,804. The Department does not hold information in regards to predicted costs. There's also the various policy documents involved if people want to explore, showing maximum compensation etc. is any of that clawed back via entrance fees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Yibble said: I wonder if this case coming before court will shed any light on where the DoI published the relevant (secondary) legislation and statutory documents relating to road closures for the races? I remain interested to know. I've been summoned for jury duty on that date. Participating in a jury is on my bucket list, just for the experience, but I've always hoped that if I did get called it would be for a far juicier case. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Zarley said: I've been summoned for jury duty on that date. Participating in a jury is on my bucket list, just for the experience, but I've always hoped that if I did get called it would be for a far juicier case. Oh well. It says it's a 'summary court' - I think that means no jury. So there's still a chance you'll get the one about Alf Cannan, the performing seal and the vat of Vaseline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: It says it's a 'summary court' - I think that means no jury. So there's still a chance you'll get the one about Alf Cannan, the performing seal and the vat of Vaseline. Aren't you thinking of the one with the pot of gentleman's relish? A particular favourite of performing seals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: I get the impression that the way that the DoI has published (or not) all its regulations etc, including for things such as road works or speed limits has always been fairly shonky and based on the old Manx principle of "everyone knows it anyway". So having it legally tested will be interesting. On another TT topic I came across this FoI from March (ref: 3004553): How much has the insurance for the TT races cost since 2011? 2011: £218.210 2012: £239,490.50 2013: £269,286 2014: £322,159 2015: £256,268 2016: £298,545 2017: £213,089 2018: £270,000 2019: £270,000 2022: £778,000* *Includes insurance for TT, MGP and S100 events What are the predicted costs for the next five years? The costs for the 2023 motorsport events cover (to cover the TT, MGP and S100 events) is set at £1,029,804. The Department does not hold information in regards to predicted costs. There's also the various policy documents involved if people want to explore, showing maximum compensation etc. Am I right in thinking government self-insure their own vehicles? If that's true it makes you wonder why they don't do likewise for the races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Am I right in thinking government self-insure their own vehicles? If that's true it makes you wonder why they don't do likewise for the races. Because the races are a preposterously high risk? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Passing Time said: is any of that clawed back via entrance fees? No They pay most riders a start fee to compete in the death race. Serious amounts of money for the "well known" fodder too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 45 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: It says it's a 'summary court' - I think that means no jury. So there's still a chance you'll get the one about Alf Cannan, the performing seal and the vat of Vaseline. Well now, that sounds like fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Yibble said: I wonder if this case coming before court will shed any light on where the DoI published the relevant (secondary) legislation and statutory documents relating to road closures for the races? I remain interested to know. It'll be interesting to see what the nuts and bolts of this one are. The hill climbs are not as well publicised and it probably hinges around whether he ignored signage and barriers, deliberately ignored marshals or got a bit arsey with them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 On 8/1/2023 at 6:33 PM, TheTeapot said: Because the races are a preposterously high risk? Surely that's all the more reason to self insure. You don't think the insurance companies do it for cost do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 On 8/1/2023 at 6:37 PM, Blade Runner said: No They pay most riders a start fee to compete in the death race. Serious amounts of money for the "well known" fodder too.... Not nearly as widespread or lucrative as you make out. Why are you interested anyway? You don't even live here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADELE Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 But he may come back if things improve 😮💨 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: Surely that's all the more reason to self insure. You don't think the insurance companies do it for cost do you? No not really. Self insure an insane event guarantees a payout. Insurance companies basically stake odds on that risk. It is better to insure a high risk event than it is to insure it yourself, despite the premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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