Asthehills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillyNoMates said: f1 drivers sit in a carbon fiber shell that protects them. tt riders are their own crumble zone. really time they stop chasing stupid records. nobody goves a shit if mcpint does it 1 mile faster this year. jyst make sure they all return safe and alive. There are literally tens of thousands, if not more, people hoping to see a new outright lap record this year. How on earth do you conclude that nobody gives a shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Asthehills said: There are literally tens of thousands, if not more, people hoping to see a new outright lap record this year. How on earth do you conclude that nobody gives a shit? The lap record is dependent on several factors, weather, road conditions, machine set up, how a rider feels on the day, etc. The MGP lap record has barely increased by 1 mph in over 20 years and yet the racing is invariably closer and more exciting than the TT. The reason for this is that the winner always moves to the TT and the Senior is for Supersport machines only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyNoMates Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 43 minutes ago, Asthehills said: There are literally tens of thousands, if not more, people hoping to see a new outright lap record this year. How on earth do you conclude that nobody gives a shit? i doubt that statement is true. records are being hyped up by irresponsble organsiers and media types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Christian Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, BillyNoMates said: i doubt that statement is true. records are being hyped up by irresponsble organsiers and media types. Nah. It’s true. Biker fans love speed and are enthusiastic about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Call Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 When is Ago's Leap going to get resurfaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 11 hours ago, wrighty said: The organisers could limit the machines, like they do in F1 all the time, in the interests of safety. The machines are limited? Each category has its own rules. It's not a free-for-all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Wake Up Call said: When is Ago's Leap going to get resurfaced? Dave Molyneux gave evidence that there's nothing wrong with the new surface from his perspective. I'd trust his judgment. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 The only "working" way to limit the speeds would be to change the bike classes. Get rid of supersports and superbikes, and do stuff like naked bikes, supernaked bikes, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Asthehills said: TT bikes are based on bikes you and I can buy, and arguably the ones that win will sell more bikes as a result. Except they aren't. The 1000cc Sports bike sales category is miniscule now and what gets raced here pays only lip service to what the man in the street sees in the showroom. 600cc sportsbikes are no longer available, bar in small numbers intended for track only use. The 650 twins are dominated by a £50k+, limited production race "replica" that nobody will admit to knowing how many road going brethren have actually been sold. It now costs upwards of £30k to try and be competitive in the class because what they're built from wasn't intended to be raced, certainly in the inception. Sidecars aren't remotely relevant to anything in the market (other than racing sidecars perhaps) and are retained purely as part of tradition and the spectacle but they have their enemies too. We have "evolved back" (ie gone full circle) to the reasons that the thoroughbred race machines were scrapped in the early noughties - we are racing things that aren't relevant to the mainstream market. That's because the TT is no longer about the market; it's about a revenue generating spectacle with one or two people's perceived career aspirations thrown into the mix. That's where this blind obsession with increasing the lap records is coming from - and we saw the results of that on Bray Hill last year. Twice. Edited February 17, 2023 by Non-Believer Typo 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Wake Up Call said: When is Ago's Leap going to get resurfaced? Again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Why would it get resurfaced ? It has been given the green light by other experienced riders e.g. Dave Molyneux . Other competitors did no have a problem. Inexperience and speed contributed to these two tragic events in equal part, that seems to be the accepted fact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Ringy Rose said: Dave Molyneux gave evidence that there's nothing wrong with the new surface from his perspective. I'd trust his judgment. Not to mention the other competitor outfits which negotiated that stretch of road last year, without incident. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: The 1000cc Sports bike sales category is miniscule now and what gets raced here pays only lip service to what the man in the street sees in the showroom. There's nothing in the TT superbike and supersport categories that you don't see in BSB or WSB. They're not bespoke bikes for the TT. Sidecars do differ from the F2 sidecar regs, though. As for showrooms, if you discount scooters then the top selling bike is a 1250cc BMW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Mysteron said: Not to mention the other competitor outfits which negotiated that stretch of road last year, without incident. You just saying its coincidence then? it could be of course. Coincidents do happen. They are the exception that proves the rule after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 In the MR report of the inquest, Jane Hughes lists the possible causes including '' an unexpected bump in the road''. So case still open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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