forestboy Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Kopek said: In the MR report of the inquest, Jane Hughes lists the possible causes including '' an unexpected bump in the road''. So case still open? NO. Case closed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 2:26 PM, wrighty said: I wasn't asking for your personal preference, I thought as an experienced watcher of the establishment here you might have some insight into how it's going to pan out. Personally I think its days are numbered, and the Irish issue has reduced that number. My personal preference would be that some form of festival of motorcycling continues - the island has a buzz about it you don't see any other time - but the quest for ever faster laps should stop, it should be made safer, and sidecars should be scrapped. Without caring much either way, I've always thought it's entirely up to those who want to put their lives on the line. At the same time, I've long believed that difficulty insuring the risk is what will kill it, and we may not be far from that point. The fact that we've just bought the SPCo would be another reason for the house to collapse, knowing our luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Given their support for the TT, the Govt will always underright it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Kopek said: In the MR report of the inquest, Jane Hughes lists the possible causes including '' an unexpected bump in the road''. So case still open? Is that different to an expected bump in the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Kopek said: '' an unexpected bump in the road''. Ago's leap has been there for quite a while, it can hardly be described as unexpected. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, WTF said: Ago's leap has been there for quite a while, it can hardly be described as unexpected. Lots of moral dilemmas here. I fully admit I cant get my head around it. If I organised a cliff diving event on marine drive. Would it be OK for me to get all the participants to sign a disclaimer acknowledging that they know diving off cliffs is dangerous and that I cannot be held responsible. I'm putting this out there. I don't know the answer to that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Lots of moral dilemmas here. I fully admit I cant get my head around it. If I organised a cliff diving event on marine drive. Would it be OK for me to get all the participants to sign a disclaimer acknowledging that they know diving off cliffs is dangerous and that I cannot be held responsible. I'm putting this out there. I don't know the answer to that question. I am no expert but I think the answer is that if you can demonstrate that you have done a thorough health and safety review plus got approval from appropriate authorities such as the fire service then you would be OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Kopek said: Given their support for the TT, the Govt will always underright it? But at some point the unlimited nature of the risk in such litigious times must surely become a threat even to the Government with its bottomless pit of taxpayers' money. We've never really had a reliable assessment of how much the Island benefits financially from the TT versus the cost of disruption, organisation, medical expenses and all the rest. For many years I've reckoned that it's just one serious conflagration from the end. In fairness, I've thought that for 30 years and up to now we've been lucky, and haven't had an incident of that magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Wooley, in view of our Govts profligacy with our money it's not hard to see them accepting a 'few million' to cover a TT accident? Maybe one day there will be a realisation of the moral situation, the Keys may accept that stance and then it requires Comin to come to the same conclusion? If the Coroners verdict is one of 'Misadventure', does that relieve the Govt of their own liability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Is the inquest into the father and son complete? Perhaps there is more, new witnesses, experts yet to be revealed? In all my following of motorsports events i have not heard of ''coincidence'' as a mitigating factor nor of 'misadventure' as the official verdict. We sow and then we reap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Happier diner said: Lots of moral dilemmas here. I fully admit I cant get my head around it. If I organised a cliff diving event on marine drive. Would it be OK for me to get all the participants to sign a disclaimer acknowledging that they know diving off cliffs is dangerous and that I cannot be held responsible. I'm putting this out there. I don't know the answer to that question. 9 hours ago, NoTail said: I am no expert but I think the answer is that if you can demonstrate that you have done a thorough health and safety review plus got approval from appropriate authorities such as the fire service then you would be OK That's a fair enough answer. So, I hold my event and 5 people are killed. 4 of them jumping off the same rock. The coroner rules misadventure and everybody says they were doing what they loved This year I go through the same process and submit the same 'health and safety review'. I dont make any changes at all. I say it was just a coincidence. Would that, in your view, be acceptable? Would have no part in the blame for their deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Happier diner said: That's a fair enough answer. So, I hold my event and 5 people are killed. 4 of them jumping off the same rock. The coroner rules misadventure and everybody says they were doing what they loved This year I go through the same process and submit the same 'health and safety review'. I dont make any changes at all. I say it was just a coincidence. Would that, in your view, be acceptable? Would have no part in the blame for their deaths. I’ve answered the legal position above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, John Wright said: I’ve answered the legal position above. I'm not talking about legality. I'm talking about morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) I think if TT didn't exist and had never existed, if someone came up with the idea now- there would be a snowballs chance in hell of it being accepted. Edited February 18, 2023 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, Roxanne said: Well of course. But then neither would tobacco or alcohol. I'll raise a drink to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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