jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/reduced-alcohol-measures-to-be-considered-in-tynwald/ News story from a few days ago. This was approved at Tynwald yesterday. Personally, even as someone who buys and sells alcohol, I'm disappointed by this news. I understand the whole plethora of reasons that were mooted but still feel customers are being short changed. Opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, jackwhite said: https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/reduced-alcohol-measures-to-be-considered-in-tynwald/ News story from a few days ago. This was approved at Tynwald yesterday. Personally, even as someone who buys and sells alcohol, I'm disappointed by this news. I understand the whole plethora of reasons that were mooted but still feel customers are being short changed. Opinions? 28.4ml even - long day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, jackwhite said: 28.4ml even - long day. To clarify, were we serving more booze per measure than in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I assume as a retailer of Spirits you will reduce the retail price so that the customers are not being shortchanged . I really dont see a downside for the retailer or the customer. How are they going to fix the measures for forfified wines . Port , sherry , martini etc .and for desert wines The last time they moved the measure to 50ml for these in the UK they forgot to do anything here as bars were not allowed to have both imperial and metric measures in the same bar . Hopefully they will do the job properly this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Theoretically no one should be short changed cos the duty will adjust. It's up to the landlords to adjust their prices accordingly. Far more worrying is the apparent support for minimum unit pricing from the likes of Hooperman, despite a recent study partly written by the people who set it up in Scotland admitting it doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, The Phantom said: To clarify, were we serving more booze per measure than in the UK? We were. We were still serving an imperial measure, a fifth of a gil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Phantom said: To clarify, were we serving more booze per measure than in the UK? As pointed out by The Teapot, we were. Now it's going to be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: We were. We were still serving an imperial measure, a fifth of a gil. Apparently it costs loads to get the bigger optics made as only we use them. Have to be stamped by customs after sourced. A friend who works for a supplier said its been a nightmare as they have to buy 500 at a time and of course you dont sell that many . Edited June 22, 2022 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Once the new laws come in , assuming they do ,Every optic in every bar will have to be changed by a set date, . That will be a conversation I guess between a retailer and their supplier. 🍷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, emesde said: I assume as a retailer of Spirits you will reduce the retail price so that the customers are not being shortchanged . I really dont see a downside for the retailer or the customer. How are they going to fix the measures for forfified wines . Port , sherry , martini etc .and for desert wines The last time they moved the measure to 50ml for these in the UK they forgot to do anything here as bars were not allowed to have both imperial and metric measures in the same bar . Hopefully they will do the job properly this time. I will reduce prices, yes. 17 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Theoretically no one should be short changed cos the duty will adjust. It's up to the landlords to adjust their prices accordingly. Far more worrying is the apparent support for minimum unit pricing from the likes of Hooperman, despite a recent study partly written by the people who set it up in Scotland admitting it doesn't work. The downside ultimately are as follows: 1. Less per measure for customer. 2. Don't believe all landlords will adjust prices accordingly. 3. Loss of tradition and uniqueness Would be interesting to keep a little register of which bars actually adjust pricing to reflect. Not sure what's happened to the remaining proposals which were: Introduce 2/3 pint measure Introduce 75ml wine measure Proposing 1/4 pint measure. I'd have been for these tbh. Edited June 22, 2022 by jackwhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, jackwhite said: I will reduce prices, yes. The downside ultimately are as follows: 1. Less per measure for customer. 2. Don't believe all landlords will adjust prices accordingly. 3. Loss of tradition and uniqueness Would be interesting to keep a little register of which bars actually adjust pricing to reflect. Not sure what's happened to the remaining proposals which were: Introduce 2/3 pint measure Introduce 75ml wine measure Proposing 1/4 pint measure. I'd have been for these tbh. Any proposals to metric a Pint you're aware of? If this is the rationale, then surely it should be across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxweegie Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: who set it up in Scotland admitting it doesn't work. Confirm, does not work in the slightest. Just another example of the wonderful SNP in action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, The Phantom said: Any proposals to metric a Pint you're aware of? If this is the rationale, then surely it should be across the board. Why? It’s not metricisation. It’s standardisation. Measures used to be imperial England 1/6th gill IoM 1/5th gill Scotland 1/4th gill they were standardised at 25, 27.5 and 30ml during metricisation. We are a very small, limited market using 27.5. Manufacturers have stopped making them at 27.5. So we had to change. It was announced 3 or 4 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I blame Brexit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 in some places I frequent the optics are gone, and spirits measured in a little stainless steel pot , whats wrong with that and the barmaid always measures in front of the customer same with fortified wines measured into a glass , all this talk of optics , I cant think of any bar in Europe I have been in in the last 5 years still uses optics we should have kept our isle of Man measures , and cant help think whoever is at the back of this is going to make even more money ,by shortening the amount and charging the same price , maybe its down to the war in Ukraine and the price of Vodka in Russia , its getting blamed for too much I feel ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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