emesde Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 53 minutes ago, John Wright said: 27.5 is the metric equivalent of 1/5th gill The article refers to the current measure as being 28.4 ml "An amendment put forward by the Office of Fair Trading proposes spirits are served in quantities of 25ml, rather than 28.4ml (one fluid ounce) as it is currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, AOR said: I would have thought 30ml would have been the better option. I think that the major problem is the supply of optics. As far as I know, no one makes 30 ml optics that are government stamped. So changing to a size no one makes would not help the problem. If you chose 50 ml optics as std you would probably send a lot of extra drivers over the drink drive limits. 35 ml is an alternative and optics are made in that size. They are used throughout the UK and indeed the IOM rejected both 25 ml and 35 ml some years ago as they wanted to keep a point of difference from anywhere else. Edited June 22, 2022 by emesde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, John Wright said: Why? It’s not metricisation. It’s standardisation. Measures used to be imperial England 1/6th gill IoM 1/5th gill Scotland 1/4th gill they were standardised at 25, 27.5 and 30ml during metricisation. We are a very small, limited market using 27.5. Manufacturers have stopped making them at 27.5. So we had to change. It was announced 3 or 4 years ago. i know it's not your maths but if a 4th of something is 30 how can a 6th be 25 ? surely it should be 20 ????? Edited June 22, 2022 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSM Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, John Wright said: 27.5 is the metric equivalent of 1/5th gill 1/5 gill = 1 fluid oz = 28.4ml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, WTF said: i know it's not your maths but if a 4th of something is 30 how can a 6th be 25 ? surely it should be 20 ????? It should have read 25, 27.5 and 35 as the metric equivalents of 1/6, 1/5 and 1/4. They weren’t precise conversions. But it’s the non availability of the 1/5 gill measures that is the driver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 hours ago, John Wright said: Why? It’s not metricisation. It’s standardisation. Measures used to be imperial England 1/6th gill IoM 1/5th gill Scotland 1/4th gill they were standardised at 25, 27.5 and 30ml during metricisation. We are a very small, limited market using 27.5. Manufacturers have stopped making them at 27.5. So we had to change. It was announced 3 or 4 years ago. Genuine question. Couldn’t a manx company have done it and earned a few quid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Happier diner said: I just wish I could get a full pint. You can insist on one under Manx licensing laws. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, jackwhite said: Genuine question. Couldn’t a manx company have done it and earned a few quid? You mean make the measures what do you think, could they invest thousands of pounds to produce a small quantity for a limited market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, alpha-acid said: You mean make the measures what do you think, could they invest thousands of pounds to produce a small quantity for a limited market Over how many years? Yes I think they could have made it profitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, emesde said: Not sure why heading refers to 27.5ml as I don't think that is a measure ever used on the Island or anywhere else that I am aware of. Sorry mum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, alpha-acid said: You mean make the measures what do you think, could they invest thousands of pounds to produce a small quantity for a limited market Go ahead invest yourself if you think it's profitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Serious question. In your heading you used the 27. 5 ml as the current size of optics yet the article refers to it as 28.4 ml Every conversion table says 28.4 so was just interested where the 27.5 comes from. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, emesde said: Serious question. In your heading you used the 27. 5 ml as the current size of optics yet the article refers to it as 28.4 ml Every conversion table says 28.4 so was just interested where the 27.5 comes from. 🤔 It is 28.4 I would imagine a metric conversion that did not work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, alpha-acid said: It is 28.4 I would imagine a metric conversion that did not work Yes I can see its not a nice round figure, but we have never used optics of 27.5 ml and never seen any anywhere. We used optics measured as fifth of a gill and every single optic had to be checked by iom weights and measures dept and government stamped and sealed. The reason being that the suppliers could not get them stamped in the UK as fifth of a gill was not a permitted legal spirit measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) Talking about decimal places of millilitre. It's crazy. Should have stuck with 1/5 of a gill and called it exactly that. What's anyone - EU? - going to do about it? Edited June 22, 2022 by AOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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