Roger Mexico Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Why are they even issuing physical paper letters? It should all be by email and text Given their current email practices, they'd probably end up inviting everybody to everybody else's appointments. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 one of the problems with the NHS is health tourism, little Josip needs an op he can't get in Dubrovnik so hey, bring him to England where we can fix him, it only costs 200k but it's ok, you can pay never. the National Health Service should have the word International put in front of it so it's correctly initialed the INHS. if we weren't fixing every unfortunate foreign fucker that sets foot in the country we could maybe afford to pay for our own populations medical needs.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Whilst charging for the service may have to be something for the future, the immediate problem is, in the wake of the Anaesthetists fiasco, the Abbotswood fiasco and the Ranson affair , getting medics to come here must be like trying to get vampires to work on a garlic farm ! 4 weeks to get a telephone appointment, how much could you charge for that !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, WTF said: one of the problems with the NHS is health tourism, little Josip needs an op he can't get in Dubrovnik so hey, bring him to England where we can fix him, it only costs 200k but it's ok, you can pay never. the National Health Service should have the word International put in front of it so it's correctly initialed the INHS. if we weren't fixing every unfortunate foreign fucker that sets foot in the country we could maybe afford to pay for our own populations medical needs.. Are you the editor of the Daily Mail? I understand people’s feelings about health tourism, but as a proportion of total health expenditure it’s miniscule. Clamping down on it would make no difference whatsoever to access for home residents. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I think there is also some medical treatments going off Island? Some East Europeans actually go back their Country for dental, optician and ongoing conditions. Then there is the use of Asia and Turkey for some procedures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, wrighty said: Are you the editor of the Daily Mail? I understand people’s feelings about health tourism, but as a proportion of total health expenditure it’s miniscule. Clamping down on it would make no difference whatsoever to access for home residents. so it won't save time then ? cos if you're treating Josip you aren't treating Joe. Edited July 16, 2022 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, WTF said: so it won't save time then ? cos if you're treating Josip you aren't treating Joe. Negligible overall effect. Total cost of health tourism is about £300m, less than 0.3% of the NHS budget. So you’re right, I suppose. If Josip is turned away, Joe might only have to wait 364 days instead of 365 for his operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 7 hours ago, cissolt said: 88k for a deputy, and his boss on 150k and they still can't prevent people emailing medical records to thousands of people. If you move incapable people into senior roles you get incompetence. https://www.jobtrain.co.uk/iomgovjobs/displayjob.aspx?jobid=14123 Quote: "Reporting directly to the Manx Care Chief Information Officer, you will lead delivery against agreed operational plans to successfully address areas requiring improvement and innovation with a focus on outcomes, safety and quality improvement. You will be instrumental in the ongoing performance and improvement of health and care services for the Isle of Man." What does the Chief Information Officer do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 As little as possible if that job description is anything to go on 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, wrighty said: Negligible overall effect. Total cost of health tourism is about £300m, less than 0.3% of the NHS budget. So you’re right, I suppose. If Josip is turned away, Joe might only have to wait 364 days instead of 365 for his operation. LOL, who waits less than a year for anything these days , oh that's right, the people who can pay to go private. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Given their current email practices, they'd probably end up inviting everybody to everybody else's appointments. That would be one way to cut waiting lists, get them all in on the same day. Might get a bit crowded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 11:25 AM, 0bserver said: I totally agree with you that the current model and funding is unsustainable. I don't think a user pays model would be the way to go. But we do need to have a long and honest debate about thr future of health and social care. I suspect moving towards a Nordic type model may be the way to go. Of course that would mean increased funding through higher taxes. Stopping the NHS tourists would be a good start, stopping free treatment for on resident would also be a good start, stop A & E being used a doctors surgery would be another good start. we need a more formalised ‘cheques and balances’ by non resident users. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 3:56 PM, wrighty said: Negligible overall effect. Total cost of health tourism is about £300m, less than 0.3% of the NHS budget. So you’re right, I suppose. If Josip is turned away, Joe might only have to wait 364 days instead of 365 for his operation. Show where you are getting those figures from! I doubt if you can because we don’t have a system of asserting residency. even if we go by your estimate, 300 million is a lot of money and Joe would be more than likely to only wait 90 days as we spent the money saved on efficiencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I think the jury is still out on Manx Care improvement takes time as well as effort and intent give it another year at least before judging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, buncha wankas said: Show where you are getting those figures from! I doubt if you can because we don’t have a system of asserting residency. even if we go by your estimate, 300 million is a lot of money and Joe would be more than likely to only wait 90 days as we spent the money saved on efficiencies. https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/361/bmj.k2536.full.pdf So you think an extra 300 million would essentially clear the 6.5 million on NHS waiting lists such that waiting time is 90days? Some ambulances are waiting almost that long outside A&Es. You know I’m talking about the UK and not here, don’t you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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