John Wright Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: FFS……. Yes you can follow the same methods and processes but an essential characteristic of Champagne is that it is made in the Champagne region of France. So not only can you not call it Champagne. It is not Champagne because it is missing that essential element that would make it Champagne. Hope you understand now. (I don’t think a Cornish Pasty has ever been allowed to be called Champagne) That’s not quite how the protected name or area of production/origin works. You can make champagne but can’t sell it as champagne, at least not some countries or trading blocks. Russia and India produce a sparkling wine using methode champenois, and wishin their internal markets it’s sold as champagne. But they can’t export to a lot of countries that recognise the French name and origin protection is enforceable. Cava is sold in certain bits of Catalunya as Xampu in Xampanyerias. It’s thin ice and there’s an ongoing EU case. But they’ve been using those words for 120+ years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: an essential characteristic of Champagne is that it is made in the Champagne region of France. So not only can you not call it Champagne. It is not Champagne because it is missing that essential element that would make it Champagne. You can't sell it as champagne, but apart from that there's nothing special about the stuff that is basically double fermented white wine. What 'essential element' do you refer to? Some sort of mystical quality that gets added due to where it is produced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: I don’t think a Cornish Pasty has ever been allowed to be called Champagne I must say - this is the level of insight which brings me back to MF again and again…😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, wrighty said: You can't sell it as champagne, but apart from that there's nothing special about the stuff that is basically double fermented white wine. What 'essential element' do you refer to? Some sort of mystical quality that gets added due to where it is produced? Well the features of the Champagne region terroir (cool climate and chalky subsoils) apparently lend themselves to producing better quality of the three grape varieties used in Champagne. Not a mystical quality but a physical one due to where it is produced. If this quality can’t be replicated in other areas it suggests that there is a uniqueness about Champagne and cheapo manky grapes from elsewhere won’t cut it I didn’t make the bloody rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well the features of the Champagne region terroir (cool climate and chalky subsoils) apparently lend themselves to producing better quality of the three grape varieties used in Champagne. Not a mystical quality but a physical one due to where it is produced. If this quality can’t be replicated in other areas it suggests that there is a uniqueness about Champagne and cheapo manky grapes from elsewhere won’t cut it I didn’t make the bloody rules! Except there are plenty of places with the climate and chalky soils around the world that produce sparkling wines at least as good, and often better, than champagne. If you can get a Russian extra sec it’s very good. But they mainly produce sweet stuff, as did Champagne when Russia was their largest market. Californian, NZ and AUS “champagnes” often beat the French stuff, and almost any cava is better. Even English sparkling. Unsurprisingly wines, even from the same terroir, change over decades with changing public taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, John Wright said: Except there are plenty of places with the climate and chalky soils around the world that produce sparkling wines at least as good, and often better, than champagne. If you can get a Russian extra sec it’s very good. But they mainly produce sweet stuff, as did Champagne when Russia was their largest market. Californian, NZ and AUS “champagnes” often beat the French stuff, and almost any cava is better. Even English sparkling. Unsurprisingly wines, even from the same terroir, change over decades with changing public taste. Is it wrong that I have an opinion of you like James Bond? Well travelled and knowledge on almost anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, jackwhite said: Is it wrong that I have an opinion of you like James Bond? Well travelled and knowledge on almost anything? He's more Blofeld 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well the features of the Champagne region terroir (cool climate and chalky subsoils) apparently lend themselves to producing better quality of the three grape varieties used in Champagne. Not a mystical quality but a physical one due to where it is produced. If this quality can’t be replicated in other areas it suggests that there is a uniqueness about Champagne and cheapo manky grapes from elsewhere won’t cut it I didn’t make the bloody rules! But you have fallen for the marketing hype! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, wrighty said: He's more Blofeld I was only commenting on a persona, but if that's the case maybe he's also getting as much sexual adventure as James Bond too! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jackwhite said: Is it wrong that I have an opinion of you like James Bond? Well travelled and knowledge on almost anything? Yes. There’s plenty places I’ve not been and huge areas of lack of knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 58 minutes ago, jackwhite said: I was only commenting on a persona, but if that's the case maybe he's also getting as much sexual adventure as James Bond too! 😉 Sadly, not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, wrighty said: He's more Blofeld Never stroked a white pussy… 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 49 minutes ago, John Wright said: Never stroked a white pussy… But I'll bet there's times when he's felt a right fanny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, John Wright said: If you can get a Russian extra sec it’s very good. I had 6 bottles of the stuff from 1992 on my second visit to MOW (wasn't stopped going through customs in LHR), intent on keeping it for special occasions because, as you say, it's cracking stuff and even in straightened times in MOW it was cheap as chips. Needless to say, it all disappeared within 6 months. It was a mistake to open the first of them... for some reason our house became the place to go to for birthdays, anniversaries etc. Bloody family! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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