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[Sheldon]

Regardless of who or what they identify as, I'm pretty much sick of the entire human race at this point. 

Is misanthropy a hate crime?

Edited July 1, 2022 by Sheldon

[Passing Time]

Just now, Sheldon said:

Regardless if who or what they identify as, I'm pretty much sick of the entire human race at this point. 

Is misanthropy a hate crime?

Reading some of the above posts - then no

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said:

FFS sake nobody really cares what Dave chooses to do. If Dave doesn’t like being potentially misgendered then maybe Dave shouldn’t chose to live such a complicated life. Or just accept that if you look like a bloke and call yourself Dave some people are going to think you’re a bloke called Dave no matter what strange stuff is going on inside your own head. 

Is it a choice?

I was equally sceptical until I was on that Zoom call, but it was a great event, with no great angst about referring to the person by their pronoun preference, and they had a great event too.  Even their cat, who was the star actually. 

[The Voice of Reason]

9 minutes ago, Gladys said:

The point is with it on a badge you don't need to ask. What about if you go into the bank, speak to Dave first,  clock his badge  but Dave refers you to another staff member.  You explain to the new staff member, starting with Dave's name having been referred to them by him/her/them you then go on to say "As I said to ?".  It would be good to give the right pronoun, particularly if Dave is witnessing the conversation, but also for the other staff member who will be accustomed to referring to Dave in a particular way.

It isn’t a huge issue, but handling it in the right way helps Dave and their colleague.  It is only a matter of courtesy and respect for everyone you deal with. 

Gladys

We have managed to address people perfectly well for decades if not centuries, whilst still maintaining courtesy and respect for those you deal with , without all this nonsense.

Why now is this all becoming an issue?

[Passing Time]

To be honest, doesn't matter one jot what they want to identify as, They can be a jar of bloody marmalade for all I care. As long as they are a decent human being then let's just get along eh

[Kopek]

Are we overthinking this? In a face to face conversation there will only be a requirement for the pronoun 'You', in a latter conversation with a colleague, it may be required to refer to He/She in the past tense but at this point the person is out of sight, so cannot be offended by the mis gendering?

There are probably few occasions  when mis gendering of the pronoun would actually offend the recipient or require second thoughts from the pronouncers???

I can't think of a conversational situation that would require gender specific reference? Written, maybe?

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[The Voice of Reason]

5 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Are we overthinking this? In a face to face conversation there will only be a requirement for the pronoun 'You', in a latter conversation with a colleague, it may be required to refer to He/She in the past tense but at this point the person is out of sight, so cannot be offended by the mis gendering?

There are probably few occasions  when mis gendering of the pronoun would actually offend the recipient or require second thoughts from the pronouncers???

I can't think of a conversational situation that would require gender specific reference? Written, maybe?

 

People who make an issue of this pronoun business are being overly precious.

I wouldn’t pay it much heed.

There’s a lot more important stuff going on in the world that deserves more attention.

[Kopek]

.....but we can't avoid the argument?

[Kopek]

How to solve is the problem?

[Gladys]

To me, it is no more of an issue or offensive than someone asking you to pronounce their name correctly. 

[The Voice of Reason]

46 minutes ago, Gladys said:

To me, it is no more of an issue or offensive than someone asking you to pronounce their name correctly. 

There we must disagree 

Edited July 1, 2022 by The Voice of Reason

[Kopek]

No, there is a point,, does someone want to be called Sharon or Shar...on? but of course, mispronunciation of aa name is different mis gendering?

Why? I'm too old to answer that!!!!

[HeliX]

3 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Gladys

We have managed to address people perfectly well for decades if not centuries, whilst still maintaining courtesy and respect for those you deal with , without all this nonsense.

Why now is this all becoming an issue?

Probably because people keep calling their lives "nonsense".

[HeliX]

3 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

Of course it’s a choice in a lot of cases and a lot of it is purely attention seeking. If we continue on the theme of dopey Dave above. He should be a grown up and perhaps accept being misgendered every now and then and not crying about it as that’s life if you choose to call yourself Dave and you look like a bloke. 

Is being gay a choice?

[Newsdesk]

4 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Is being gay a choice?

To be honest this thread is a wreck but what has being gay got to do with pronouns? Being gay is about acknowledging your sexual orientation. It’s got very little to do with pronouns or gender expression.