Newsdesk Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, HeliX said: OK, let's say you ban trans women from women's changing rooms. Now what? How are you going to police it? The fake trans people you're concerned about can still just make themselves look suitably female and go into the changing room. There are too many androgynous men and butch women to effectively police it without checking people's genitals as they enter. Which I don't think is an improvement. All it would do is make trans people less safe, not make women safer. Totally false argument to support your daft wokism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, Newsdesk said: Totally false argument to support your daft wokism. So you've never seen a femme bloke, or a butch woman? You might want to wear your glasses more dear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeliX said: OK, let's say you ban trans women from women's changing rooms. Now what? How are you going to police it? The fake trans people you're concerned about can still just make themselves look suitably female and go into the changing room. There are too many androgynous men and butch women to effectively police it without checking people's genitals as they enter. Which I don't think is an improvement. All it would do is make trans people less safe, not make women safer. You can also get a cracking vaginoplasty for about 13 grand. The surgeons are as much artists as medical practitioners. How does one make sure a vagina is 'real' enough? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newsdesk said: Totally false argument to support your daft wokism. Should be perfectly easy to counter it without just resorting to name calling then I guess! You won't though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, HeliX said: All it would do is make trans people less safe, not make women safer. Yes let’s enforce rights on a tiny tiny percentage of the population even if they make some women who have grown up in a strongly patriarchal society and who may have been subject to sexual abuse by men feel uncomfortable. As I have said the main issue seems to be about self identification and how it’s been abused in certain cases by devious men. That’s it. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Newsdesk said: Yes let’s enforce rights on a tiny tiny percentage of the population even if they make some women who have grown up in a strongly patriarchal society and who may have been subject to sexual abuse by men feel uncomfortable. As I have said the main issue seems to be about self identification and how it’s been abused in certain cases by devious men. That’s it. Nothing more. Banning trans women from the bathroom doesn't remove that risk for cis women. Also even small parts of the population are entitled to rights. Edited July 7, 2022 by HeliX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: You can also get a cracking vaginoplasty for about 13 grand. The surgeons are as much artists as medical practitioners. How does one make sure a vagina is 'real' enough? Yet somehow you seem to manage being an authentic cunt for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Steady Eddie said: Yet somehow you seem to manage being an authentic cunt for nothing. You're the one resorting to calling people names on an internet forum late into the evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Newsdesk said: Yes let’s enforce rights on a tiny tiny percentage of the population even if they make some women who have grown up in a strongly patriarchal society and who may have been subject to sexual abuse by men feel uncomfortable. As I have said the main issue seems to be about self identification and how it’s been abused in certain cases by devious men. That’s it. Nothing more. As Helix rightly pointed out, on the whole, far more women than men think trans women should have access to toilets, changing rooms and refuges. What does that say about men? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: What does that say about men? The whole issue is men and mens attitude to woman in the patriarchal socially most women have grown up in. As I have consistently said right the way through this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Newsdesk said: The whole issue is men and mens attitude to woman in the patriarchal socially most women have grown up in. As I have consistently said right the way through this thread. But, trans women aren't men. It's, well, in the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) This is a very confusing topic for me- 1.I just don’t see where the Manx flag- or any flag,comes into this? 2.The public toilet issue - I use one very infrequently.I find then smelly and rather unpleasant- but useful if needed for the sole purpose of peeing and pooing. Thankfully, I have never been “approached” by anyone in a toilet.The prospect would be a further deterrent for me using one, even to the point risking of bladder complications. A fact of life is that women / female sex (or whatever term is currently in use) do, by dint of anatomy and physiology etc.m do have more frequent need of such facilities.Unless they have trained bladder and other muscular tone to levels to produce an unusual trajectory, they sit down - rather than pee against the porcelain whilst standing.This means removal of more clothing and increases the feeling of vulnerabilty. They should be be able to use these facilities confidently without even the briefest second thought about it -and not feel in any way uncomfortable. As father, I would have been very concerned to wait whilst my young daughter entered a public toilet ( where as a “male” I would not have been be permitted to enter) to be followed in by someone who - for whatever reason, claimed they had a perfect right to be there, but by their appearance and demeanor would have very probably caused her distress and - and fear. Men/ young boys; women/ young girls have a basic right to the access the appropriately designated facilities without feeling in any way intimidated or uncomfortable. Edited July 8, 2022 by hampsterkahn spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: How does one make sure a vagina is 'real' enough? When it can give birth, self-lubricate, not have a dead-end nor require continuous dilation therapy and usually a daily lavage to prevent infection, especially when sexually active. That would be real enough. Obviously a real vagina can be one thing only; an essential component of a reproductive system only to be found within the body of a female human, by definition, as nature biologically intended. Anything else just isn't, cannot be, classed as a vagina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: But, trans women aren't men. It's, well, in the name. biologically, the vast majority are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Hoops said: biologically, the vast majority are. We've been over how that's not as clear cut as you seem to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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