b4mbi Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 hours ago, BriT said: She’s a commissioner. That’s what the commissioners have decided. She’s basically abusing her status as a commissioner by launching a public petition about a decision the commissioners have validly made. What part of that do you not get? That you can't understand it's a stupid idea? Seems over 3,000 people can though. Commissioners backtracking saying plans for "enhancments" not finalised... Idiotic way to approach the whole thing, getting advocates involved ffs. What a waste of ratepayers money. Then appearing to make decison on the back of one disgruntled email from someone in port st mary!! Looks like orchestrated smear campaign. Let's see all of the multiple complaints the commissioners have recieved about the cafe... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, b4mbi said: That you can't understand it's a stupid idea? Seems over 3,000 people can though. I understand right enough. A commissioner abusing her position as a commissioner when a decision she was rightly been exempted from didn’t go her way. This petition is a plain abuse of power and deliberate manipulation of public opinion. But that’s what these sad local authority despots always do when they don’t get their own way. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, b4mbi said: That you can't understand it's a stupid idea? Seems over 3,000 people can though. Commissioners backtracking saying plans for "enhancments" not finalised... Idiotic way to approach the whole thing, getting advocates involved ffs. What a waste of ratepayers money. Then appearing to make decison on the back of one disgruntled email from someone in port st mary!! Looks like orchestrated smear campaign. Let's see all of the multiple complaints the commissioners have recieved about the cafe... Ah, Isle of Man government departments of all kinds and transparency.............. i was at a court case not so long ago, supporting a mate. When the government's attorney said that the government desires and has nothing to fear from transparency, there was a ripple of laughter from those watching and a stern look from the deemster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Was she a commissioner before running the cafe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 10 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: According to MR she found out about it from a lawyer's letter. If she's a commissioner presumably she's known personally to the other commissioners. Wouldn't the common sense approach have been to have spoken to her an informed her of their decision? Sending a lawyer's letter is an expensive cowardly approach which is bound to get the recipients back up, regardless of whether their plans for the shelter are right or wrong. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/thousands-sign-petition-to-keep-laxey-beach-cafe-seating/ When it comes to spending other people money, conmen, and politicos are experts. Common sense approach doesn’t apply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Is the cafe's tables/seating areas there with the relevant permissions/fees etc, or is it just something which the proprietor has developed over time without such authority? If the latter, what if we all started doing the same? What next? 'I only erected beach huts on the foreshore without permission/authority, to attract more visitors to Laxey. What's wrong with that? I should be applauded, not criticised' Seems to me that some businesses think they should be immune from such 'commonsense' initiatives because they're satisfying a demand from the community, when in reality they're commandeering public spaces for their own ends. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptar Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Exactly, you can't just have businesses 'seconding' land and areas beyond their premises that don't belong to them, and then absorbing them into their premises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, reptar said: Exactly, you can't just have businesses 'seconding' land and areas beyond their premises that don't belong to them, and then absorbing them into their premises. According to the business owner, they had permission from Laxey Commissioners to use the area for the last 15 years. A fuss would have been made long before now if that wasn't the case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 5 hours ago, asitis said: A beach changing showering facility is unlikely to contribute much to the area if at all ! Lots of beaches around the world I have sampled have a simple shower set-up to rinse off salt and sand. Sometimes it's literally as simple as a low tap for feet and a high tap and pipe for all-over. It would be a handy addition to many of the beaches on the island and shouldn't be that expensive to set up. However, I dread to think what most of the Councils would do with this simple plumbing job. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, b4mbi said: According to the business owner, they had permission from Laxey Commissioners to use the area for the last 15 years. A fuss would have been made long before now if that wasn't the case. Maybe it's been looked at and it turns out the permission hasn't been formalised and isn't written down anywhere. That would explain why why Commissioners are trying to do so now. The Isle of Man is full of people proclaiming that: "We've always done it like that and therefore it must be legal". (Usually civil servants). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Rather depends on what the Lawyers letter actually says? Is it to clear out immediately? Or when the work is imminent? Did the Comms consider the effect they sought? Todays statement from the Comms says she can return as before when the work is done. Tho possibly with a formal arrangement and rent? Could be a storm in a teacup!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Maybe it's been looked at and it turns out the permission hasn't been formalised and isn't written down anywhere. That would explain why why Commissioners are trying to do so now. The Isle of Man is full of people proclaiming that: "We've always done it like that and therefore it must be legal". (Usually civil servants). Why does it need to be formalised and written down? One of the many positive attributes of the island has been that not everything was regulated to the hilt for no good reason, it would be a shame to lose that informality unless it was absolutely necessary. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Typical “authority” stuff on the Island, thinking that everything has to be in their control and resenting the success of private initiative and enterprise. They’ll have the stuff removed that people currently use snd enjoy and replace it with something from the public purse that hardly anybody will use or appreciate. I wonder what consultation or research informed this nonsense? I signed, as a customer, happily. Edited July 19, 2022 by joebean 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Why does it need to be formalised and written down? One of the many positive attributes of the island has been that not everything was regulated to the hilt for no good reason, it would be a shame to lose that informality unless it was absolutely necessary. Once upon a time perhaps, but not anymore. The bureaucrats are now over-regulating everything to death. Us in the Finance industry will agree that a bit of regulation is a good thing, but they are now taking it too far and creating a nightmare for business. They've only just re-released a consultation on the Cannabis Growing sector, as they have admitted it themselves that they've gone a bit over the top. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Why does it need to be formalised and written down? One of the many positive attributes of the island has been that not everything was regulated to the hilt for no good reason, it would be a shame to lose that informality unless it was absolutely necessary. Because, as the old joke goes, a verbal contract ain't worth the paper it's written on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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