Alf Cannan's I Have A Dream

[Banker]

7 hours ago, hissingsid said:

So what has happened to the rich people who have abandoned that dreadful eyesore in Duke Street or the rich people who were going to build a hotel, cinema, shops and god knows what else on the old bus station.    Just because people say they are rich and act as if they are minted does not always mean they are it is a very uncertain world and seeing is believing , too many fairy stories that don’t have happy endings,     Alf Cannon’s dream is becoming a nightmare and one that we will not wake up from anytime soon.

They weren’t rich basically & don’t have the funds to complete, certainly the bus station site can’t proceed without prime tenants so probably revert back to government. Get housing on it!

But it’s got nothing to do with government if developers finance requirements change 

[Derek Flint]

2 minutes ago, Hoops said:

Mate, you are so in awe of wealth and the wealthy.

Not at all. I like people with energy and vision. Those who disrupt, and are orthogonal to the orthodoxy. As George Bernard Shaw said, "progress depends on the unreasonable man."

So if a bloke invests a great deal of time in developing a vision which will actually serve a purpose, goes out and speaks to some big hitters and gets their ear and moves things forward in the world whether they succeed or fail, then I'm going to listen.

Or, in the words of Churchill, we can confine ourselves to those considered thoroughly safe by conventional standards, especially at a time when we need those of force and vision.

 

[Andy Onchan]

4 minutes ago, Banker said:

But it’s got nothing to do with government if developers finance requirements change 

You mean they didn't have enough money to start with?

[Ativa]

7 hours ago, hissingsid said:

So what has happened to the rich people who have abandoned that dreadful eyesore in Duke Street or the rich people who were going to build a hotel, cinema, shops and god knows what else on the old bus station.    Just because people say they are rich and act as if they are minted does not always mean they are it is a very uncertain world and seeing is believing , too many fairy stories that don’t have happy endings,     Alf Cannon’s dream is becoming a nightmare and one that we will not wake up from anytime soon.

Both of those developments will happen in the next 24 months.

Feel free to quote for posterity.

[2112]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

They weren’t rich basically & don’t have the funds to complete, certainly the bus station site can’t proceed without prime tenants so probably revert back to government. Get housing on it!

But it’s got nothing to do with government if developers finance requirements change 

It has plenty to do with government if the taxpayer ends up picking the pieces. This also has a knock on effect - suppliers/tradespeople not getting paid - less money for the Treasury! Whilst government couldn’t have foresaw the collapse of the Duke Street development, it could have done something with the old bus station site on Lord Street, in which the taxpayer didn't fare well out of. The current owners of the site, could have redeveloped the site into housing/retail units if they desired. Have they the desire? 

 

[Ativa]

5 minutes ago, 2112 said:

It has plenty to do with government if the taxpayer ends up picking the pieces. This also has a knock on effect - suppliers/tradespeople not getting paid - less money for the Treasury! Whilst government couldn’t have foresaw the collapse of the Duke Street development, it could have done something with the old bus station site on Lord Street, in which the taxpayer didn't fare well out of. The current owners of the site, could have redeveloped the site into housing/retail units if they desired. Have they the desire? 

 

Patience is a virtue.  These things don’t happen overnight.

[Dave Hedgehog]

3 hours ago, Ativa said:

Both of those developments will happen in the next 24 months.

Feel free to quote for posterity.

I think the planning permission is about to expire on the bus station site.

[x-in-man]

15 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

I think the planning permission is about to expire on the bus station site.

Maybe a big rush to start it then?

Followed by a quite collapse of a harbour wall, or building or two?

 

[Two-lane]

1 hour ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

I think the planning permission is about to expire on the bus station site.

9 July 2023. That's a pity. I was looking forward to those 7 cinemas - one for every night of the week.

[offshoremanxman]

Looks like the IOM has dodged a bullet. We can’t even attract an absolute tosser like Farage to come and live here

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2023/05/26/is-nigel-farage-planning-a-move-to-jersey-or-guernsey/

[Ativa]

1 hour ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

I think the planning permission is about to expire on the bus station site.

It’s hardly going to be refused if they are set to go on site next year though is it.

[Steve_Christian]

1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said:

Looks like the IOM has dodged a bullet. We can’t even attract an absolute tosser like Farage to come and live here

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2023/05/26/is-nigel-farage-planning-a-move-to-jersey-or-guernsey/

Isn’t he a major shareholder in Connister bank? 

[english zloty]

1 hour ago, Ativa said:

It’s hardly going to be refused if they are set to go on site next year though is it.

Leasee on DFE board in dispute with government applies for government brownfield grant. Nothing to see here. Move along 

[hissingsid]

It has everything to do with the Government when open ended planning permission is given as has happened with the Duke Street site, the matter was brought up in Tynwald this week and apparently the developers had until 2025 to start but now they have commenced with the development they have a timeless completion date at least that is how I read and understand the report.   John W. asked the question and this was the answer given.    If planning are going to be so loose regarding completion dates perhaps this is what needs to be looked into and rectified. 

[Banker]

21 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

It has everything to do with the Government when open ended planning permission is given as has happened with the Duke Street site, the matter was brought up in Tynwald this week and apparently the developers had until 2025 to start but now they have commenced with the development they have a timeless completion date at least that is how I read and understand the report.   John W. asked the question and this was the answer given.    If planning are going to be so loose regarding completion dates perhaps this is what needs to be looked into and rectified. 

Isn’t that the same as everywhere with planning if development started?