cissolt Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 It's baffling that a drink driver, who not only failed to stop but was also driving poorly received a 12 month ban: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/nurse-caught-drink-driving-in-douglas-after-making-two-very-silly-decisions-654858 But a young lad who was committing no driving offenses is banned for 2 years: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/driver-21-had-bloodshot-eyes-and-smelled-of-cannabis-655102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, Happier diner said: 1. Thinking about the science and balancing the probability of making a successful prosecution, is it fair to say that the longer the period since your drink, the more you need a comclusive figure. I am meaning, if you were marginal it would be harder to make a case from a back calculation. 2. I know there are ways that the police can disprove the "I had a bottle of whisky when I got home" tale but I'm not sure how they do it. 1. As I say, not in the first hour after they stopped drinking. The science is pretty good. Maximum, well they aren’t looking at too long. Remember, police have to enter their home, chat, roadside test, possibly, arrest, take to HQ. The intoxyliser test will often be two, three hours post driving. 2. they check sinks, bins, cupboards. You say you’ve had half a bottle and the only one is 9/10 full, what do you think the court will conclude? Or I’ve drunk half a bottle, but the blood test and back analysis shows that couldn’t possibly be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, cissolt said: It's baffling that a drink driver, who not only failed to stop but was also driving poorly received a 12 month ban: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/nurse-caught-drink-driving-in-douglas-after-making-two-very-silly-decisions-654858 But a young lad who was committing no driving offenses is banned for 2 years: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/driver-21-had-bloodshot-eyes-and-smelled-of-cannabis-655102 That’s because the drink driver was less than 50% over the limit and the disqualification band for that reading is 12 months. The minimum disqualification is 12 months. The drug driver was convicted of a different offence. The minimum ban is 2 years for any drug drive over the limit. If the drink driver had been 1ug more it’d have been 2 years. Here is the table. 30-50ug in breath is 1 year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, John Wright said: 2. they check sinks, bins, cupboards. You say you’ve had half a bottle and the only one is 9/10 full, what do you think the court will conclude? Are they allowed to do that? Surely the police can't just rock up at your house and start rooting through your things simply because they suspect you of a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Are they allowed to do that? Surely the police can't just rock up at your house and start rooting through your things simply because they suspect you of a crime. They can do a lot with "suspicion". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Are they allowed to do that? Surely the police can't just rock up at your house and start rooting through your things simply because they suspect you of a crime. Assuming they’ve rung the door bell, you’ve let them in, they’ve already felt the vehicle bonnet, it’s hot, you’re drunk, you mention post driving consumption. They’ve got right to arrest and search. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebushy Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: Assuming they’ve rung the door bell, you’ve let them in, they’ve already felt the vehicle bonnet, it’s hot, you’re drunk, you mention post driving consumption. They’ve got right to arrest and search. Alf needs to get an electric vehicle 😉 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, cissolt said: It's baffling that a drink driver, who not only failed to stop but was also driving poorly received a 12 month ban: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/nurse-caught-drink-driving-in-douglas-after-making-two-very-silly-decisions-654858 But a young lad who was committing no driving offenses is banned for 2 years: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/driver-21-had-bloodshot-eyes-and-smelled-of-cannabis-655102 What's particularly ridiculous is that, as John says, the drink driving penalties are related to how much someone has consumed. But for drug driving it's two years whether you are driving perfectly and are just over the limit. And it's two years if you committed a host of driving offences and have enough drugs in you to knock out an army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, cissolt said: It's baffling that a drink driver, who not only failed to stop but was also driving poorly received a 12 month ban: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/nurse-caught-drink-driving-in-douglas-after-making-two-very-silly-decisions-654858 But a young lad who was committing no driving offenses is banned for 2 years: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/driver-21-had-bloodshot-eyes-and-smelled-of-cannabis-655102 There's at least two reasons for that anomaly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 36 minutes ago, HeteroErectus said: They can do a lot with "suspicion". Elvis did 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, John Wright said: Assuming they’ve rung the door bell, you’ve let them in, they’ve already felt the vehicle bonnet, it’s hot, you’re drunk, you mention post driving consumption. They’ve got right to arrest and search. Search you or your house? I don't drink let alone drink and drive, but reading between the lines of what you've said, the best thing you could do in that situation say nothing and close the door in their face - you'll probably end up getting arrested, still say nothing, wait until the next day, claim they intimidated you and then mention the post driving consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: What's particularly ridiculous is that, as John says, the drink driving penalties are related to how much someone has consumed. But for drug driving it's two years whether you are driving perfectly and are just over the limit. And it's two years if you committed a host of driving offences and have enough drugs in you to knock out an army. That’s not quite true. It’s a 2 year minimum here ( 1 year in UK ) and 5 year max. There’s no handy table for increased sentencing for increased amounts. That’s because there’s no peer reviewed research on the correlation. However I’ve seen 3 year bans with a high drug reading and poor driving aggravating features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhumsaaIOM Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 There seems to be no denial that he has consumed some alcohol before driving. It is a case of russian roulette if you drink anything before you drive as it will depend on body make up, food consumption etc. as to how the alcohol affects you Poor judgment at the very least getting behind the wheel Fit to be Chief Minister? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, RhumsaaIOM said: There seems to be no denial that he has consumed some alcohol before driving. But you legally can consume alcohol before driving provided that you consume less than the legal driving limit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/were-confident-in-addressing-population-issues/ despite everything he still has his dream and has estimated (to the person) so all is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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