Banker Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 54 minutes ago, 2112 said: Another day, another charity on the NPM reporting on the subject of people in debt, or having financial concerns. Seems like one of CM Cannans growth areas. No I am not expecting Government to bail people out, these stories doesn’t create good publicity or a positive image for all these new residents that CM Cannan wants. Not saying it’s right but it’s a lot worse in Uk, have you seen all the rough sleepers, food banks etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/3/2024 at 12:56 PM, english zloty said: I'd say 12-15 months away yet. 20 minutes ago, cissoltt said: Manx care said they can't staff it until 2025 and it would be mothballed until then That’s the redeveloped Glenside nursing/care home on Victoria Road/Glencrutchery Road, not the old nurses home on Westmoreland Road, which is to be 1 and 2 bedroom apartments for key workers.. I thought that the care/nursing home operation was being put out to tender, like Salisbury Street, so the 12-15 month thing isn’t applicable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, John Wright said: That’s the redeveloped Glenside nursing/care home on Victoria Road/Glencrutchery Road, not the old nurses home on Westmoreland Road, which is to be 1 and 2 bedroom apartments for key workers.. I thought that the care/nursing home operation was being put out to tender, like Salisbury Street, so the 12-15 month thing isn’t applicable. I was making an assessment as to how far off habitation the FNH is. Not betting on it, however it's not watertight, needs to have a new roof, internal works, first/second fix electrics and plumbing. Internal and external decoration. Site demobalised. Habitation Certificates and then be tenanted. Good luck doing that in a few months. It's taken 12 to put the scaffolding up and a further six to remove the top two floors. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, Banker said: Not saying it’s right but it’s a lot worse in Uk, have you seen all the rough sleepers, food banks etc I am aware, but because many functions/services that IOMG have been farmed out to the third sector, or they have more involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, 2112 said: I am aware, but because many functions/services that IOMG have been farmed out to the third sector, or they have more involvement. Like what? Food banks everywhere are run by volunteers & charities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Resident Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 In the UK political noises are being made that increasing their population year on year through legitimate immigration is not necessarily the answer to growing their economy. Economic benefits are obviously being weighed against the costs of needing to improve their infrastructure, build new housing and deliver improved health services and education. All of the above are issues that the IOM will need to address if the population here is to be grown to support our economy. By now Government should be explaining to us how they will actually address the relevant issues. Instead we have new committees and seemingly endless studies, reviews and reports into everything under the sun with no actual action taken. It seems probable to me that those politicians who can get their pension will not be standing for election again and that the economic policy is no more than wishful thinking to keep us quiet for two years or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Manx Resident said: In the UK political noises are being made that increasing their population year on year through legitimate immigration is not necessarily the answer to growing their economy. Economic benefits are obviously being weighed against the costs of needing to improve their infrastructure, build new housing and deliver improved health services and education. The UK had record levels of immigration last year. Although what % of those were in little rubber boats and if they are included, I have no idea. It's currently teetering on the edge of recession. So more population doesn't = growing economy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 (edited) It's currently teetering on the edge of recession. So more population doesn't = growing economy. Maybe some one had better let Alfie boy know ? But then its not about growing the economy, just the pension pot. Edited March 7 by Dirty Buggane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 17 hours ago, Manx Resident said: In the UK political noises are being made that increasing their population year on year through legitimate immigration is not necessarily the answer to growing their economy. Economic benefits are obviously being weighed against the costs of needing to improve their infrastructure, build new housing and deliver improved health services and education. All of the above are issues that the IOM will need to address if the population here is to be grown to support our economy. By now Government should be explaining to us how they will actually address the relevant issues. Instead we have new committees and seemingly endless studies, reviews and reports into everything under the sun with no actual action taken. It seems probable to me that those politicians who can get their pension will not be standing for election again and that the economic policy is no more than wishful thinking to keep us quiet for two years or so. I would agree with you IF we were already at 120k and looking to grow to 180k. We aren’t. Our current infrastructure can support up to 100k people in the relatively short term without much major investment. Especially if those people coming in are of working age which is the goal. if in 5 or 10 years we have a bigger economy and 20,000 more tax payers and need to look at infrastructure expansion to support the addition of another 20,000 over the next ten years then that would be a nice problem to have. I was in Ireland yesterday and had a very interesting meet with a company looking to relocate here. They have a number of staff ready to move with them and want to buy some housing in Douglas or Ramsey and employ more people. Currently the only building going on up north is Jurby and there isn’t anything big enough (23 houses) planned in or around Douglas or Ramsey that isn’t sat with planning and which has a confirmed start date. The end result is if something doesn’t start moving soon they won’t bother and will be staying around Dublin. This island is so backward and is missing out on so much investment due to NIMBYS and environmental crap. Edited March 7 by CrazyDave 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Resident Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, CrazyDave said: I would agree with you IF we were already at 120k and looking to grow to 180k. We aren’t. Our current infrastructure can support up to 100k people in the relatively short term without much major investment. Especially if those people coming in are of working age which is the………… ….the only building going on up north is Jurby and there isn’t anything big enough (23 houses) planned in or around Douglas or Ramsey that isn’t sat with planning and which has a confirmed start date. The end result is if something doesn’t start moving soon they won’t bother and will be staying around Dublin.………. CrazyDave, with respect, you comment that our current infrastructure can support 100k in the relatively short term but then go on to highlight a current problem with housing for 20+ employees of one company looking to relocate here. So, my main point stands, we need detail of what is being done to support the policy and not wishful thinking on the part of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 17 minutes ago, Manx Resident said: CrazyDave, with respect, you comment that our current infrastructure can support 100k in the relatively short term but then go on to highlight a current problem with housing for 20+ employees of one company looking to relocate here. So, my main point stands, we need detail of what is being done to support the policy and not wishful thinking on the part of government. Fair point. The issue is with planning though. There are tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds worth of development ready to go and being held up by stupid planning department and busy body do gooder environmentalists. It’s not just housing either. Wind farm, sewage in Laxey, Sewage in Peel. All being delayed by idiots who can’t se what harm they are doing to the long term prosperity of the island. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I drove past the new massive egaming & campus site this week, looks like plenty of workers there so that will add 3/400 to Alfs population targets, plenty of NI & tax plus the casino will be a lot busier! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 21 minutes ago, Banker said: I drove past the new massive egaming & campus site this week, looks like plenty of workers there so that will add 3/400 to Alfs population targets, plenty of NI & tax plus the casino will be a lot busier! they wont be permanent residents just ships that pass in the night , and you can be certain most of their income will be sent back home and very little spent in the local economy , thats the nature of these type os businesses , 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 11 minutes ago, Omobono said: they wont be permanent residents just ships that pass in the night , and you can be certain most of their income will be sent back home and very little spent in the local economy , thats the nature of these type os businesses , A couple of years back I was in that old IoM Bank building, was it "Howard Pearson House" back in the day (in the Victoria Rd business park), now an e-gaming establishment. Remarkable sight, row upon row of young Chinese and SE Asians sat behind computer screens like so many battery hens. In fact the only European faces I saw in there seemed to be a couple of supervisors wandering around. I often wondered how much of their pay is spent locally and how much is exported back to their countries of origin. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, Omobono said: they wont be permanent residents just ships that pass in the night , and you can be certain most of their income will be sent back home and very little spent in the local economy , thats the nature of these type os businesses , They can spend very little in the local economy when you live on the campus and breakfast, lunch and dinner is provided by the company. I would imagine that many of the workers will work a few months in one location before transferring to another location. They will have little little opportunity to settle and plant roots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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