Itsmeee Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 7 hours ago, 2112 said: The construction industry/sector are having a bit of a moan today, about there being a slowdown within the sector. Do I feel sorry for them? Not really, as I feel they will moan, and their views will be listened too, and taken on board, unlike other sectors, eg, retail, tourism and hospitality. It’s worth noting that the construction sector has a taxpayer funded subsidy scheme, designed to stimulus growth, and encourage construction on brownfield sites. What are the construction industry hoping to gain? From the NPM - Body which represents industry tells Manx Radio of concerns about level of future work There's growing concern over a slowdown in the Island's construction sector. Construction Isle of Man says small to large companies, and those which feed the industry, are feeling the impact due to a number of factors. These include a busy period following Covid-19, the financial climate, ongoing planning issues and a lack of government capital schemes which are being progressed. Gary Proctor is the chairman: Manx Radio has invited the Isle of Man Government to respond. People are being invited to comment on proposals to streamline the Island's planning system and make it easier for people to use. A 12-week consultation closes on 23 October - you can find it HERE. Well if they fucking turned up to give quotes when promised, then actually sent the quotes to you, never mind getting to the point of, heaven forbid, actually doing some bastard work, maybe the construction industry wouldn’t have so much to worry about. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 31 minutes ago, Itsmeee said: Well if they fucking turned up to give quotes when promised, then actually sent the quotes to you, never mind getting to the point of, heaven forbid, actually doing some bastard work, maybe the construction industry wouldn’t have so much to worry about. This chap lost a significant amount of work due to king gaming, even I would struggle to blame the planning system for that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/15/2024 at 12:57 PM, 2112 said: The construction industry/sector are having a bit of a moan today, about there being a slowdown within the sector. There’s one big contractor moaning. And to be fair to them, they’ve just seen the £5M King Gaming contract go up in smoke through no fault of theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 And the road is still closed for the foreseeable future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 On 8/15/2024 at 8:06 PM, Itsmeee said: Well if they fucking turned up to give quotes when promised, then actually sent the quotes to you, never mind getting to the point of, heaven forbid, actually doing some bastard work, maybe the construction industry wouldn’t have so much to worry about. I think you are mistaking the construction industry with the small contractor/tradesman. The crap performance of small contractors and tradesman is one thing that screws up the contracting industry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfc84 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 There's a job on duke street that needs workers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, lfc84 said: There's a job on duke street that needs workers Actually think money is the more pressing need !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) On 8/15/2024 at 3:15 PM, Roger Mexico said: It's an extraordinary statement from Cannan and you can't really work out if he's incredibly corrupt, incredibly arrogant, incredibly stupid or all three: Under the Ministerial Code, it is a well-established and recognised rule that no Minister or civil servant should accept gifts, hospitality or services from anyone which would, or might appear to, place him or her under an obligation. [...] Mr Cannan replied that every one of his attendances at functions, lunches and hospitality events as well as all gifts received in the last eight years are exempt from inclusion on the register. Saying that you're so incorruptible that that you don't need to declare all the dosh you've been given is just wild. It's also inconsistent in that if he believes he's so wonderful he shouldn't be telling us now. You suspect someone had to explain things very carefully to him. And of course he's not even following the rules which say: 3 A relevant interest is any past interest (existing at any time from 12 months before the Member’s election) or present interest which may affect, or reasonably be perceived as affecting, a Member’s judgement on the way in which he/she may carry out his/her duties, and includes in particular: [....] (iv) gifts and benefits in kind of any amount which might be taken to affect the way in which a Member may vote or otherwise carry out their public duties with the name and address of the donor, and the capacity in which the gift or benefit has been given So it's not for Cannan to decide whether it might affect what he does, it's how it might be 'perceived'. Even the possibility means that it should be declared. It's true there is a relevant partial exemption: No it’s how it might “ reasonably be perceived” , that is the wording. I don’t reasonably perceive that a few freebie TT hospitality tickets or a several hundred quid helmet would appear to place him under an obligation to the donor. That said of course he would have been wise to have just registered all gifts hospitality etc as a matter of course just to stop this sort of hooh haah happening Edited August 18 by The Voice of Reason Correct misspelling of “ hooh haah” I think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 25 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: No it’s how it might “ reasonably be perceived” , that is the wording. I don’t reasonably perceive that a few freebie TT hospitality tickets or a several hundred quid helmet would appear to place him under an obligation to the donor. That said of course he would have been wise to have just registered all gifts hospitality etc as a matter of course just to stop this sort of hooh haah happening I hate to break this to you, but just because you called yourself The Voice of Reason, doesn't mean you get to decide what is reasonable for everyone, everywhere, for all time. Some people would feel that gifts worth hundreds of pounds might indeed give rise to the perception that there was some form of obligation. It's "might" and "perceive" remember, there doesn't have to be certainty or even likelihood - just the hint means that something should be declared. It's deliberately worded so it's not the politiician who decides but the public. And it's hoo-ha apparently, though hoo-hah is also fairly common in the US. Things I discovered by googling and discovering what common usage was. Which is what Cannan ought to have done rather than assuming he was wonderful and didn't need to tell anyone anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 7 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: I hate to break this to you, but just because you called yourself The Voice of Reason, doesn't mean you get to decide what is reasonable for everyone, everywhere, for all time. So, VOR is not the man on the Clapham omnibus? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: I hate to break this to you, but just because you called yourself The Voice of Reason, doesn't mean you get to decide what is reasonable for everyone, everywhere, for all time. Some people would feel that gifts worth hundreds of pounds might indeed give rise to the perception that there was some form of obligation. It's "might" and "perceive" remember, there doesn't have to be certainty or even likelihood - just the hint means that something should be declared. It's deliberately worded so it's not the politiician who decides but the public. And it's hoo-ha apparently, though hoo-hah is also fairly common in the US. Things I discovered by googling and discovering what common usage was. Which is what Cannan ought to have done rather than assuming he was wonderful and didn't need to tell anyone anything. Alf Cannan. Do I what I say not what I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 On 8/17/2024 at 6:19 PM, Ringy Rose said: There’s one big contractor moaning. And to be fair to them, they’ve just seen the £5M King Gaming contract go up in smoke through no fault of theirs. Another big construction contract coming up , along with the villiers site redevelopment and Salvation Army site, should be plenty of work to go around. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/plans-for-64-bed-hotel-approved/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEv-JJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHcZ9m-KwK1G0UYWSgiBnHI5Lu7PG57CBhCBv1fKDGXRu0SAoDDRzRgmsEA_aem_yUn0n3tI2gFqTfznyRrfXQ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 On 8/17/2024 at 6:19 PM, Ringy Rose said: There’s one big contractor moaning. And to be fair to them, they’ve just seen the £5M King Gaming contract go up in smoke through no fault of theirs. I suspect it would have been a lot more than that overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, Banker said: Another big construction contract coming up , along with the villiers site redevelopment and Salvation Army site, should be plenty of work to go around. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/plans-for-64-bed-hotel-approved/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEv-JJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHcZ9m-KwK1G0UYWSgiBnHI5Lu7PG57CBhCBv1fKDGXRu0SAoDDRzRgmsEA_aem_yUn0n3tI2gFqTfznyRrfXQ The Salvation Army and Walpole Site will definitely get redeveloped but I doubt the MiddleMarch and Villiers will get redeveloped within the next few years - probably after 5 years. On a seperate note, a new knitwear factory planning to open up on the Ronaldsway Site by the end of the year, creating at least 50 jobs. Whilst this is welcome and good news, whether they can get good quality local skilled employees is another matter, especially as lots of companies trying to recruit have issues in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 14 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: I hate to break this to you, but just because you called yourself The Voice of Reason, doesn't mean you get to decide what is reasonable for everyone, everywhere, for all time. Some people would feel that gifts worth hundreds of pounds might indeed give rise to the perception that there was some form of obligation. It's "might" and "perceive" remember, there doesn't have to be certainty or even likelihood - just the hint means that something should be declared. It's deliberately worded so it's not the politiician who decides but the public. And it's hoo-ha apparently, though hoo-hah is also fairly common in the US. Things I discovered by googling and discovering what common usage was. Which is what Cannan ought to have done rather than assuming he was wonderful and didn't need to tell anyone anything. One trait young Alf does share with his late Father (and certainly not his intelligence) is a certain arrogance when he thinks he is right, even when not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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