Alf Cannan's I Have A Dream

[Roxanne]

2 hours ago, Gladys said:

Hilda and Stan Ogden, actually. 

Ha ha!  You're right! I'd completely forgotten. 

[Blade Runner]

6 hours ago, 2112 said:

For the governments favourite hotel operators no doubt? Unless IOMG are going into the hotel and hospitality industry? 

I don't know about that but I would say it totally ruins any chance of a hotel on the old bus station site. You know the one that was going to be privately funded until Covid hit.

A hotel and a multi storey car park on that old Steam Packet site is going to be min £20-25million build cost.

Is this why your gov have setup a £100million guarantee for MDC borrowing? Have they got a tenant lined up? As you hint at and if they do that, it should be properly investigated.

You also have Keith Lord building a hotel at the old Sally Army building which is what should be encouraged with big government grants, not IOMG setting up in competition to developers.

If MDC want to build social housing, crack on, just stay out of the areas where private developers operate.

[2112]

12 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

I don't know about that but I would say it totally ruins any chance of a hotel on the old bus station site. You know the one that was going to be privately funded until Covid hit.

A hotel and a multi storey car park on that old Steam Packet site is going to be min £20-25million build cost.

Is this why your gov have setup a £100million guarantee for MDC borrowing? Have they got a tenant lined up? As you hint at and if they do that, it should be properly investigated.

You also have Keith Lord building a hotel at the old Sally Army building which is what should be encouraged with big government grants, not IOMG setting up in competition to developers.

If MDC want to build social housing, crack on, just stay out of the areas where private developers operate.

Hmmmmm transparency. 

[Banker]

On 8/20/2023 at 6:52 PM, Blade Runner said:

I don't know about that but I would say it totally ruins any chance of a hotel on the old bus station site. You know the one that was going to be privately funded until Covid hit.

A hotel and a multi storey car park on that old Steam Packet site is going to be min £20-25million build cost.

Is this why your gov have setup a £100million guarantee for MDC borrowing? Have they got a tenant lined up? As you hint at and if they do that, it should be properly investigated.

You also have Keith Lord building a hotel at the old Sally Army building which is what should be encouraged with big government grants, not IOMG setting up in competition to developers.

If MDC want to build social housing, crack on, just stay out of the areas where private developers operate.

Why are you bothered? Nothing to whine about in Essex?

[Happier diner]

On 8/20/2023 at 6:52 PM, Blade Runner said:

I don't know about that but I would say it totally ruins any chance of a hotel on the old bus station site. You know the one that was going to be privately funded until Covid hit.

A hotel and a multi storey car park on that old Steam Packet site is going to be min £20-25million build cost.

Is this why your gov have setup a £100million guarantee for MDC borrowing? Have they got a tenant lined up? As you hint at and if they do that, it should be properly investigated.

You also have Keith Lord building a hotel at the old Sally Army building which is what should be encouraged with big government grants, not IOMG setting up in competition to developers.

If MDC want to build social housing, crack on, just stay out of the areas where private developers operate.

I think Keith Lord has more of an eye for a realistic opportunity than anyone else on the island.  The DfE should employ him tout de suits 

[2112]

Yet more dreary bullshit promoted by CM Cannan, in a dreary monotonous stop start delivery and passion, on the NPM (MR) this morning, telling his subjects that COMIN are considering a report on setting up a Housing Association. I despair as he says a HA will be able to deliver 500 units within 5 years. No doubt this Housing Association will be Manx Style with lots of IOMG politico interference, nepotism, cronyism and good old fashioned brown paper envelopes. The purpose of establishing a Housing Association is a vehicle to transfer both ownership and operation of housing stock from Local Authorities, and Central Government. They in turn have the ability to go into the market place and raise funding both for a refurbished properties program and possible new development. A properly constituted and set up Housing Association could also herald the end of the Manx Development Cotporation, as HAs often get involved in a role of developing new housing schemes, particularly FTB, Shared Ownership, Shared Equity and Social Housing for rent (affordable market and social rent). Sadly as much as I think this is a good thing, I can see too much vested interests coming into play. 

[asitis]

2 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Yet more dreary bullshit promoted by CM Cannan, in a dreary monotonous stop start delivery and passion, on the NPM (MR) this morning, telling his subjects that COMIN are considering a report on setting up a Housing Association. I despair as he says a HA will be able to deliver 500 units within 5 years. No doubt this Housing Association will be Manx Style with lots of IOMG politico interference, nepotism, cronyism and good old fashioned brown paper envelopes. The purpose of establishing a Housing Association is a vehicle to transfer both ownership and operation of housing stock from Local Authorities, and Central Government. They in turn have the ability to go into the market place and raise funding both for a refurbished properties program and possible new development. A properly constituted and set up Housing Association could also herald the end of the Manx Development Cotporation, as HAs often get involved in a role of developing new housing schemes, particularly FTB, Shared Ownership, Shared Equity and Social Housing for rent (affordable market and social rent). Sadly as much as I think this is a good thing, I can see too much vested interests coming into play. 

Has he asked Dandara whether he can do it ?

[2112]

1 minute ago, asitis said:

Has he asked Dandara whether he can do it ?

Or his favourite estate agent?

Someone won’t be happy or will be upset.

Maybe the MDC will be another expensive vehicle (under the guise of arms length) for property development and a ‘Manx’ Housing Association set up for more property development, whilst Douglas Corporation, the Village Pump Commissioners and IOMG each have their own and self managed housing stock without it being transferred into an all purpose ownership and managed vehicle. This is turn will be mean less reliance on the ratepayers, and taxpayers, maybe there will be additional funds for spending on frontline services? 

Edited September 10, 2023 by 2112

[english zloty]

So typically govt. as most places are bringing HA stock back into the fold and dissolving HA. Canan is looking into settling on up 🤣🤣

so far arms length has provided a shell  of a building which must be three years away from being finished and a planning application which has pissed off everyone and which is to be resubmitted so is 5 years away at the earliest. Keep dreaming Alf

[Banker]

23 minutes ago, english zloty said:

So typically govt. as most places are bringing HA stock back into the fold and dissolving HA. Canan is looking into settling on up 🤣🤣

so far arms length has provided a shell  of a building which must be three years away from being finished and a planning application which has pissed off everyone and which is to be resubmitted so is 5 years away at the earliest. Keep dreaming Alf

Which places are dissolving HAs , do you have any evidence as I haven’t seen any? Jersey have several of them owning 000s of units 

[2112]

Housing Associations which are also known as Registered Social Landlords, are heavily governed and regulated within the UK. Considering IOMGs stance on hammering private landlords at every opportunity, and certain politicos portraying private landlords, as both nasty, evil and money grabbing, whilst ignoring and in some cases condoning the terrible standards of some social housing on the island. Perhaps this would lead to both private landlords and social housing providers being regulated? Also HA/RSLs are regularly inspected and have to reach and maintain certain standards, how would a Manx Housing Association inspection regime apply? I can’t see IOMG creating a Manx Housing Association, but not allying themselves to follow UK legislation, and be subject to a UK standards and inspection regime? 
 

I wonder if IOMG have investigated some of the big North West England large Housing Associations, such as Riverside (Merseyside and Cheshire), Great Places HA (North West), which also specialises in development of Shared Ownership properties (Plumlife) and other tenures? 

[Fred the shred]

I listened to this and thought he sounded tired and has lost his positivity I heard him the other day as well and thought he sounded as if he was just reading from a piece of paper, which he probably was, but he seems to have lost his zing.   Perhaps he has been looking at the books and they make for depressing reading 😬   he sounded a bit down.

[Banker]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Housing Associations which are also known as Registered Social Landlords, are heavily governed and regulated within the UK. Considering IOMGs stance on hammering private landlords at every opportunity, and certain politicos portraying private landlords, as both nasty, evil and money grabbing, whilst ignoring and in some cases condoning the terrible standards of some social housing on the island. Perhaps this would lead to both private landlords and social housing providers being regulated? Also HA/RSLs are regularly inspected and have to reach and maintain certain standards, how would a Manx Housing Association inspection regime apply? I can’t see IOMG creating a Manx Housing Association, but not allying themselves to follow UK legislation, and be subject to a UK standards and inspection regime? 
 

I wonder if IOMG have investigated some of the big North West England large Housing Associations, such as Riverside (Merseyside and Cheshire), Great Places HA (North West), which also specialises in development of Shared Ownership properties (Plumlife) and other tenures? 

It’s not just Iom heavily regulated private landlords etc, certain areas are either banning or heavily taxing second home owners, banning evictions, higher taxes etc etc 

[2112]

1 hour ago, Fred the shred said:

I listened to this and thought he sounded tired and has lost his positivity I heard him the other day as well and thought he sounded as if he was just reading from a piece of paper, which he probably was, but he seems to have lost his zing.   Perhaps he has been looking at the books and they make for depressing reading 😬   he sounded a bit down.

Maybe he is burning the candle at both ends? 

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Fred the shred said:

I listened to this and thought he sounded tired and has lost his positivity I heard him the other day as well and thought he sounded as if he was just reading from a piece of paper, which he probably was, but he seems to have lost his zing.   Perhaps he has been looking at the books and they make for depressing reading 😬   he sounded a bit down.

Chalk up another scalp for the IoMCS....