Alf Cannan's I Have A Dream

[english zloty]

4 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Social Housing developed further from its origins as Alms Houses for the Poor. 
 

It’s possible that Jerseys HA (Andium Homes?) has a different constitution, as its Jersey (like the IOM ……. Where you Can!). 

in the IoM it was slightly different. it was to provide alternative housing (Lord Street and James Street) enabling clearance elsewhere. it only really took off here post-war when Willaston was developed in lieu of folk living in Anderson shelters in Janet's corner. A social policy mid-50s 'forced' LA to become involved and that's when it started to fall apart.

[english zloty]

5 minutes ago, Gladys said:

So not dividends, but remuneration seemingly blessed by the States?  May be pedantic, but to understand whether these set ups are right, we have to understand properly how they operate elsewhere. 

they operate under a range of models from not for profit independent through to same building and staff as the local authority with a different badge. the Jersey model was and remains greed - which is why Alf loves it.

[2112]

Rochdale Boroughwide Housing (RBH new permanent Chief Executive recruited to the post in June 2023, receives a salary of £168K per annum. There are many other other CEOs, who receive more, and even other RSLs/HAs Directors (Construction/Surveying, Finance and HR receive very competitive salaries and employment packages. The difference being, it’s not funded by the taxpayers, ratepayers or central government. It comes from income. In RBH case, this was the organisation which was heavily criticised over the death of a child due to mould in a property, and the inaction of the organisation to take action. 

[2112]

1 hour ago, Last Ten said:

He has also lost a lot of his constituents support too as well as his zing!

He’s no where to be seen these days up in Michael/Ayre and the other bloke TJ who is our other supposed MHK (now lost in the ministerial hidey hole) is exactly the same, live by the sword….

I’m sure if TJ lost his seat, he will be richly awarded with grants from IOMG, towards his farming interests. 

[Gladys]

18 minutes ago, english zloty said:

they operate under a range of models from not for profit independent through to same building and staff as the local authority with a different badge. the Jersey model was and remains greed - which is why Alf loves it.

But it exemplifies the real problem and that is proper oversight by the 'owners', in this case the States.  It was not a case of an avaricious set of investors, but avaricious directors who it, would seem, went beyond their powers to make the pay and bonus awards. 

Not excusing it at all, just pointing out that you have to properly analyse what went wrong to avoid the same here. 

It would be interesting to understand exactly what is meant for a HA here in terms of who owns it, and who sets (and enforces),  the boundaries.   

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Moghrey Mie said:

I have enough of, 'We're going to do X, Y and Z.'

Let's see what this government has done since it was elected.

Well one way in which a government is usually judged is in their ability to pass effective legislation.  But the one way in which Cannan's tenure has been outstanding has been in its inability to make any laws whatsoever.  You only have look at how many new laws are announced at Tynwald Day every year.  Here are the figures (taken from Hansard) of the number for each year this century:

Year	No
2001	26
2002	17
2003	8
2004	14
2005	6
2006	7
2007	23
2008	12
2009	17
2010	10
2011	12
2012	20
2013	16
2014	11
2015	18
2016	14
2017	13
2018	14
2019	10
2020	9
2021	20
2022	19
2023	4

The four for 2023 (the first year when Cannan was fully in charge) is the lowest of any year.  Only during Corkill's time did things get anywhere near as inactive.  When you consider that of those four, one is the Income Tax Act (which has to pass every year) and two others were basically correcting mistakes in existing Acts, only the Capacity Act was proper new legislation.

This explains why most Keys sessions have consisted of Moorhouse being quizzical and most LegCo sessions have been cancelled.  They've had nothing to do.

The only reason I can see for this inactivity is that Cannan and those he surrounds himself with are uninterested in actually doing anything for the people of the Island, but big enough control freaks that they want to stop anyone else doing anything too (else we'd see legislation from Departments).

[Moghrey Mie]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Huge estate in Ballasalla. Lots to rent as well.

Does the government have a target number beyond 'homes for all'?

[TheTeapot]

13 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well one way in which a government is usually judged is in their ability to pass effective legislation.  But the one way in which Cannan's tenure has been outstanding has been in its inability to make any laws whatsoever.  You only have look at how many new laws are announced at Tynwald Day every year.  Here are the figures (taken from Hansard) of the number for each year this century:

Year	No
2001	26
2002	17
2003	8
2004	14
2005	6
2006	7
2007	23
2008	12
2009	17
2010	10
2011	12
2012	20
2013	16
2014	11
2015	18
2016	14
2017	13
2018	14
2019	10
2020	9
2021	20
2022	19
2023	4

The four for 2023 (the first year when Cannan was fully in charge) is the lowest of any year.  Only during Corkill's time did things get anywhere near as inactive.  When you consider that of those four, one is the Income Tax Act (which has to pass every year) and two others were basically correcting mistakes in existing Acts, only the Capacity Act was proper new legislation.

This explains why most Keys sessions have consisted of Moorhouse being quizzical and most LegCo sessions have been cancelled.  They've had nothing to do.

The only reason I can see for this inactivity is that Cannan and those he surrounds himself with are uninterested in actually doing anything for the people of the Island, but big enough control freaks that they want to stop anyone else doing anything too (else we'd see legislation from Departments).

Some people (me) might argue there are too many laws already 

[Mercenary]

12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well one way in which a government is usually judged is in their ability to pass effective legislation.  But the one way in which Cannan's tenure has been outstanding has been in its inability to make any laws whatsoever.  You only have look at how many new laws are announced at Tynwald Day every year.  Here are the figures (taken from Hansard) of the number for each year this century:

Year	No
2001	26
2002	17
2003	8
2004	14
2005	6
2006	7
2007	23
2008	12
2009	17
2010	10
2011	12
2012	20
2013	16
2014	11
2015	18
2016	14
2017	13
2018	14
2019	10
2020	9
2021	20
2022	19
2023	4

The four for 2023 (the first year when Cannan was fully in charge) is the lowest of any year.  Only during Corkill's time did things get anywhere near as inactive.  When you consider that of those four, one is the Income Tax Act (which has to pass every year) and two others were basically correcting mistakes in existing Acts, only the Capacity Act was proper new legislation.

This explains why most Keys sessions have consisted of Moorhouse being quizzical and most LegCo sessions have been cancelled.  They've had nothing to do.

The only reason I can see for this inactivity is that Cannan and those he surrounds himself with are uninterested in actually doing anything for the people of the Island, but big enough control freaks that they want to stop anyone else doing anything too (else we'd see legislation from Departments).

Hasn't your AGCs legislative team expanded about five fold in recent years too? Is it a case of more links in the chain = slower progress 

[Moghrey Mie]

Why has it taken 20 years to cut and paste homelessness legislation from the UK?

There is no legal requirement to house people here on the island.

[Blade Runner]

3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

The only reason I can see for this inactivity is that Cannan and those he surrounds himself with are uninterested in actually doing anything for the people of the Island, but big enough control freaks that they want to stop anyone else doing anything too (else we'd see legislation from Departments).

This

Edited September 10, 2023 by Blade Runner

[Non-Believer]

3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

and most LegCo sessions have been cancelled.  They've had nothing to do.

Can't possibly be true. They and their supporters are rabid in their claims (including on these boards) that they're continually up to their necks in keeping the Island sunny side up.

Or maybe it's keeping their own lifestyles sunny side up?

[Gladys]

3 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said:

Why has it taken 20 years to cut and paste homelessness legislation from the UK?

There is no legal requirement to house people here on the island.

Suspect it is more to do with having to provide the facilities to meet the legislative requirement than putting the legislation in place. 

[Roger Mexico]

7 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

Some people (me) might argue there are too many laws already 

But if a government is claiming that it will do all sorts of exciting new things, then it is going to need a legal framework to do those things in.  Otherwise it will either be doing things illegally or abusing existing powers.  People always complain about there being 'too many laws' until something goes wrong and they discover there weren't enough.

7 hours ago, Mercenary said:

Hasn't your AGCs legislative team expanded about five fold in recent years too? Is it a case of more links in the chain = slower progress 

It's not been that dramatic and most of the empire-building has been in other areas such as charity regulation and contract management.  Usual where there was no need or expertise, but jobs must be found for the boys and girls.

[2112]

More bullshit masquerading allegedly news, on the NPM (MR) is CM Cannan saying that ‘if the conference isn’t delivering benefit, we will have to question whether it should continue’ a very cavalier approach with taxpayers money, and use of time and resources. Granted some of event has been sponsored by IOMG friends, and they are using UCM Catering students for a ‘business’ breakfast. Perhaps this could have done by a local catering establishment, thereby providing benefit? 

The IOMG was conceived as a giant ego trip to dick waving and allowing the great unwashed access to their elected politicos and civil servants.