Non-Believer Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Banker said: Which service would you cut to stop reserves use this year & next. Healthcare or education or buses , has to be massive cuts . Guernsey are in worse position & surveying residents to ask what should be cut How about addressing the circled part? To include the contributions level? This figure is almost two years old and has almost certainly risen since publication. This spend is per head for every man, woman and child on the Island; but children aren't of working and taxpaying age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: How about addressing the circled part? To include the contributions level? This figure is almost two years old and has almost certainly risen since publication. This spend is per head for every man, woman and child on the Island; but children aren't of working and taxpaying age. But as everyone knows except yourself, pensions can’t just be stopped as it’s against every law. So again what service would you cut now to stop reserves being used ? theres no point saying cut something which can’t be cut or what about new ferry terminal as it’s spent charging everyone for prescription’s & doctors appointments would be a start but politically unacceptable Edited September 30, 2023 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Banker said: But as everyone knows except yourself, pensions can’t just be stopped as it’s against every law. So again what service would you cut now to stop reserves being used ? theres no point saying cut something which can’t be cut or what about new ferry terminal as it’s spent They tinkered with it before (tinkered being the operative word), they can tinker with it again. It's unaffordable in the present climate. Careful observation will prove however that Govt never undertakes or engages in anything that will impact the conditions of itself or its flock, it is a self-preservation society that enjoys the protection of its unions and the fear of politicians. What changes that have been "recently" implemented (GUS, PSC) have been carefully engineered not to impact current entitlements. Only those of the future, as much as 45 years+ away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: They tinkered with it before (tinkered being the operative word), they can tinker with it again. It's unaffordable in the present climate. Careful observation will prove however that Govt never undertakes or engages in anything that will impact the conditions of itself or its flock, it is a self-preservation society that enjoys the protection of its unions and the fear of politicians. What changes that have been "recently" implemented (GUS, PSC) have been carefully engineered not to impact current entitlements. Only those of the future, as much as 45 years+ away. They’ve put up contributions for all current employees & another review due this year but it’s the legacy pension causing issues. So basically like most people you’re criticizing reserves spending but have no real suggestions! I don’t think there’s any alternative for next 2 years without a slash & burn approach. More residents & higher taxes are needed & soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, Banker said: They’ve put up contributions for all current employees & another review due this year but it’s the legacy pension causing issues. So basically like most people you’re criticizing reserves spending but have no real suggestions! I don’t think there’s any alternative for next 2 years without a slash & burn approach. More residents & higher taxes are needed & soon They can also revisit some of the big money monopolies that they've got us signed up to, such as the incinerator operation and other ongoing money pits. Just because you think this that and the other is worse in the UK (much of it isn't anyway) doesn't mean we have to be. This Island used to be a fiscal "tight ship" until people got egos and greedy about 30 years ago. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: They can also revisit some of the big money monopolies that they've got us signed up to, such as the incinerator operation and other ongoing money pits. Just because you think this that and the other is worse in the UK (much of it isn't anyway) doesn't mean we have to be. This Island used to be a fiscal "tight ship" until people got egos and greedy about 30 years ago. The incinerator is on a contract, what other money pits ? Health, buses or education? I know it’s annoying but unfortunately there’s no short term solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Banker said: The incinerator is on a contract, what other money pits ? Health, buses or education? I know it’s annoying but unfortunately there’s no short term solution Headcount, recruitment levels, jobs for mates, non-jobs. All flagged up by MHKs (plural) in this administration alone. Waste and incompetence highlighted by a myriad reports including PAC and Beamans. AC says there's no cause for concern; but who told him to say that? The same civil servants that 22 months ago he said couldn't be trusted? We need to be aware that democratic financial control has been largely lost, taken away by a huge, feeding maggot that doesn't care where the money is coming from and it's own permanent answer is to continually raise taxes rather than turning the knife upon itself. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 John Wannabe Douglas North MHK has been on the NPM (MR) asking for the government conference to be held on a weekend. I don’t know what Planet he is living on. There should be no government conference, the whole conference bollocks is precisely that, a PR exercise to massage CM Cannans ego. Does he seriously believe that loads more will attend? What about the cost of hiring the VM, why should taxpayers lose out? That’s not to mention civil servants on overtime, the DoI and other government bods claiming overtime and days off in lieu. They won’t work for the goodness of their hearts, and who can blame them? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Banker said: The incinerator is on a contract, what other money pits ? Health, buses or education? I know it’s annoying but unfortunately there’s no short term solution There is NO SOLUTION, how cant you see that? 100K Residents ain't happening, The Gas may be the only way, but it is years off. It is just a matter of time before residents realise this and leave en masse Your Idea of higher taxes is not really a thing in a "Low Tax Jurisdiction" That would just speed up the inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: There is NO SOLUTION, how cant you see that? 100K Residents ain't happening, The Gas may be the only way, but it is years off. It is just a matter of time before residents realise this and leave en masse Your Idea of higher taxes is not really a thing in a "Low Tax Jurisdiction" That would just speed up the inevitable. Residents won’t be leaving en masse anytime soon. Quite a few who went are in the process of coming back. You could well eat your words on 100k not happening as well. There is a lot going on in the background that most people don’t know about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 minute ago, CrazyDave said: There is a lot going on in the background that most people don’t know about. Could you possibly give us (the uninformed) a hint? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 55 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: There is NO SOLUTION, how cant you see that? 100K Residents ain't happening, The Gas may be the only way, but it is years off. It is just a matter of time before residents realise this and leave en masse Your Idea of higher taxes is not really a thing in a "Low Tax Jurisdiction" That would just speed up the inevitable. I don’t think anyone is interested in what a a WhenI has too say from the high tax , crap public services Essex area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Allanson said during one of the committee meetings that treasury had a range of measure to implement in the short term including recruitment freeze, capital project freeze etc... But these things never seem to be minuted anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Headcount, recruitment levels, jobs for mates, non-jobs. All flagged up by MHKs (plural) in this administration alone. Waste and incompetence highlighted by a myriad reports including PAC and Beamans. AC says there's no cause for concern; but who told him to say that? The same civil servants that 22 months ago he said couldn't be trusted? We need to be aware that democratic financial control has been largely lost, taken away by a huge, feeding maggot that doesn't care where the money is coming from and it's own permanent answer is to continually raise taxes rather than turning the knife upon itself. You’re right, recruitment & pay freeze needed but you want this in healthcare, education & police? there’s no short term solution which will save £ 80m next year so spending reserves is only answer at present time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 What actually happens when the money runs out? Did I read somewhere that the UK is not allowed to let the IOM go bust? Do we just become another piece of Lancashire or Cumbria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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