2112 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 There will be great dismay today within IOMG as the last cruise ship of the year arrived but couldn’t get its tenders out due to the weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 16 hours ago, Derek Flint said: IOM not really at its best in November. That is, of course, if they all get onto the rock.... It might not be but it's actually positive they've managed to secure it anyway. At the recent economic strategy meetings, one of the complaints from retail and hospitality is that this wasn't being done in the winter months. So at least it's a step forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 34 minutes ago, 2112 said: There will be great dismay today within IOMG as the last cruise ship of the year arrived but couldn’t get its tenders out due to the weather. Prof Ashford will no doubt be working on sourcing a weather machine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Who is Alf Cannan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 1:44 PM, CrazyDave said: Personally I would rather see them focus on Golf, mountain biking, water sports and conference facilities that might attract younger people to bring their family here, or groups of friends rather than the older generation who we seem to always attract. I would steer them far away from old trains and heritage sites but guess we all have different views on such things. Younger people could be return visitors or even relocate and work here. Old people are more likely to become too ill to travel or be dead in a few years, or god forbid might move here and become even more of a drain on the island. This is just so wrong. Yes, the railways have their fair share of gricers, but they have been full of families too this year. I was once one of those younger visitors of which you speak. I first met the Isle of Man Railways as a toddler, and I was enchanted. Came back time and again until the place got its claws into me and never let me go. Eventually moved here, brought skills, investment, started businesses, employed people, paid lots of taxes. I see this same enchantment I experienced still kindling now in the eyes of the youngsters on the trains and trams, and we need to nurture these things that set us apart for future generations to be seduced by. I do appreciate your positivity on some subjects, but there is a huge market for our unique and undervalued railways. The marketing is insufficient, and the uninformed carping about them is unbelievable. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Re: Villiers Square. Yes! Fantastic. Bring it on. In fact bring ANYTHING on. Has to be an improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, woolley said: This is just so wrong. Yes, the railways have their fair share of gricers, but they have been full of families too this year. I was once one of those younger visitors of which you speak. I first met the Isle of Man Railways as a toddler, and I was enchanted. Came back time and again until the place got its claws into me and never let me go. Eventually moved here, brought skills, investment, started businesses, employed people, paid lots of taxes. I see this same enchantment I experienced still kindling now in the eyes of the youngsters on the trains and trams, and we need to nurture these things that set us apart for future generations to be seduced by. I do appreciate your positivity on some subjects, but there is a huge market for our unique and undervalued railways. The marketing is insufficient, and the uninformed carping about them is unbelievable. Not so sure about the attraction of trains to kids nowadays to be honest. Unless you can make them do a TikTok dance. I saw an advert for some trainset programme on TV a couple of days ago. It was just 60+ men. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 27 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Not so sure about the attraction of trains to kids nowadays to be honest. Unless you can make them do a TikTok dance. I saw an advert for some trainset programme on TV a couple of days ago. It was just 60+ men. I assume you mean model railways? Yes, that is certainly a declining hobby, but being out and about on heritage transport is a different matter altogether. If you really think there are only old men travelling on the railways though, you don't see them as much as I do. Most of the passengers seem to be families during summer and at weekends, and they are clearly enjoying themselves. All of those things like golf, mountain biking and conference facilities that Crazy Dave mentioned are great, but they aren't unique to here. They are not a USP for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, woolley said: I was once one of those younger visitors of which you speak I assume that was decades ago. Do you really think the same applies now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Kids love trains. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, jackwhite said: It might not be but it's actually positive they've managed to secure it anyway. At the recent economic strategy meetings, one of the complaints from retail and hospitality is that this wasn't being done in the winter months. So at least it's a step forward. Maybe you’re right but a friend who very much caters to this market you’d think with the items he sells in his very well stocked outlets says he hardly does anything with the cruise ships. He says those that do come ashore are whisked off on pre booked tours and then back to the boat and away they go. He has tried to to be proactive in drumming up business but to virtually no avail . Edited October 19, 2023 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: I assume that was decades ago. Do you really think the same applies now? Absolutely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Kids love trains. Simple as that. They love it. You can see and hear when families are clearly having a good time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Kids love trains. They do, but kids don’t book return visits. Kids love trains, and old people love trains with not much inbetween Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, woolley said: Old people are more likely to become too ill to travel or be dead in a few years, or god forbid might move here Hope your Mom and Dad are OK??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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