Gladys Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, 2112 said: As the title of this thread says Government can’t help everyone, but it can keep employing people, irrespective whether the island can afford the wage bill and extra pensions or not. A FOI request from John Wannenburgh MHK Douglas North, published on the NPM this afternoon found that since 2021 nearly 200 extra full time new employees were recruited into IOMG. These don’t include temporary or agency workers either. In 2021 there were 7049 FTE, and as at end of March 2022 there were 7243 FTE. So you can safely say that next year the figure will be heading towards 7500. Which departments are recruiting the most people, DHSC, Who Cares?, DEFA?. You will certainly get help if your employed by the state. It wasn't a FOI request. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, 2112 said: As the title of this thread says Government can’t help everyone, but it can keep employing people, irrespective whether the island can afford the wage bill and extra pensions or not. A FOI request from John Wannenburgh MHK Douglas North, published on the NPM this afternoon found that since 2021 nearly 200 extra full time new employees were recruited into IOMG. These don’t include temporary or agency workers either. In 2021 there were 7049 FTE, and as at end of March 2022 there were 7243 FTE. So you can safely say that next year the figure will be heading towards 7500. Which departments are recruiting the most people, DHSC, Who Cares?, DEFA?. You will certainly get help if your employed by the state. Surely there was a commitment by CoMin not to increase the size of government How did they get to the point of increasing the payroll by over 200 bodies? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 57 minutes ago, 2112 said: A FOI request from John Wannenburgh MHK Douglas North, published on the NPM this afternoon found that since 2021 nearly 200 extra full time new employees were recruited into IOMG. Since 2018 the DHSC/Manx Care had an increase of 150 or so. How many of those are managers? Since 2018 the DoI has had a decrease of 100. How many of those are managers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gladys said: It wasn't a FOI request. Indeed no. It's a Written Question that Wannenburgh asked: What the total headcount on the Government payroll has been in each of the last ten years.in July and was answered on the 12th, so MR are as speedy as ever. Cabinet Office actually agreed changes to it with Wannenburgh that made it more rather than less useful (asking for FTE rather than just headcount and breaking it down by Department) and the answer is here. The tables are instructive. Here's the totals: Note that the figures from 2020 onwards should be increased by about 130 for comparison purposes as that many FTE Water employees were transferred to the MUA systems then. The department numbers are more revealing: As already noted the only substantial drop is at the DoI, presumably as manual workers retire and aren't replaced and functions (eg at the Airport) are privatised. And zero-hours contract staff won't be included either (or rather they will at a value of zero). But then this is an infrastructure department that brags about not doing maintenance. An increase in headcount, absolute or FTE, isn't necessarily a bad thing if it reflect a change in circumstance - employing more medical etc staff directly rather than from agencies for example. But some of the biggest percentage increases are where this is less likely. The AG's Chambers have increased by 38% and Cabinet Office by 24% (though a few of these will be Public Health moving over). Even small parts of the organisation expand - the Gambling Commission increased by 10 FTE in 2022, presumably to cover the increased workload of licencing a couple of cannabis operations. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxfisherman Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 What is 'Verterns'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, manxfisherman said: What is 'Verterns'? It’s a classic example of a useless civil servant, who obviously can’t both spell, and they certainly don’t know the features on a word processing package like Microsoft Office/Word. Perhaps they need a IOMG civil servant training course? Verterns = Veterans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 minute ago, 2112 said: It’s a classic example of a useless civil servant, who obviously can’t both spell, and they certainly don’t know the features on a word processing package like Microsoft Office/Word You should be thankful that they do not know what document metadata is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, SleepyJoe said: Surely there was a commitment by CoMin not to increase the size of government How did they get to the point of increasing the payroll by over 200 bodies? And here's Julie Edge kicking off about increased Govt headcount not 11 months ago. Clearly, lots of action has been taken since then. Most of it in, er, increasing Govt headcount by the looks of it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 What happened to the MUA workforce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, SleepyJoe said: What happened to the MUA workforce? The MEA had a separate HR system, no doubt to deal with all the juicy extras that Proffitt gave to his chums and the government left in place. The Water Authority workers were eventually moved on to it after the merger. The figures don't include MUA workers or indeed to Post Office. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxfisherman Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Hooper is on twitter defending this if you want to get mildly irritated by his smugness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, manxfisherman said: Hooper is on twitter defending this if you want to get mildly irritated by his smugness. Some absolutely staggering salaries mentioned! What's the wage bill for all of these chief's/ directors in manxcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Two-lane said: Since 2018 the DHSC/Manx Care had an increase of 150 or so. How many of those are managers? Since 2018 the DoI has had a decrease of 100. How many of those are managers? With something like 25% of all Manx Care positions vacant then I would say that's welcome news.... However we can't tell if they're frontline clinician roles or back office non-jobs. Sadly I suspect its the latter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 from where I sit the 100 decrease in the DOI has been in frontline workers and tradesmen , fed up of working for a cowboy outfit and directed by people in suits with no hands on experience what so ever, 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, Omobono said: from where I sit the 100 decrease in the DOI has been in frontline workers and tradesmen , fed up of working for a cowboy outfit and directed by people in suits with no hands on experience what so ever, A DOI chap was telling me their new SMT( their new buzzword for senior management team) is made up of baby faced kids with zero experience in anything! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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