Government can’t help everyone

[SleepyJoe]

4 hours ago, 0bserver said:

The alternative was a 70% - 90% increase. 

If things are bad at 22p per unit, imagine a winter at 37p per unit?

 

The logical way out of this now is to progress Crogga as fast as possible and get a heavily discounted gas supply for 15 years to repay the loan. Q

The logical move now is to begin installation of the 5 onshore wind turbines

[HeliX]

The MUA loan and price fix is idiotic. It'll be cheaper than gas, people will be using their electric heaters all winter (making the debt that has to be repaid worse), we won't be able to sell our excess to the UK, we'll have the cheapest rate of electricity in the British Isles until 31st March 2023, at which point we'll likely have a higher price than the rest of the British Isles for the next 20 years to pay it back.

Utterly idiotic.

[Declan]

5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well you've got two and a bit months to use them up at full price, so maybe you should get out on the bus more.

But you question illustrates how this isn't quite as generous as it looks.  Those who benefit most from the capped bus fares are going to be the most regular users.  But those in turn are going to be those who are most likely to use already discounted schemes such as Go Places 12.  But the per journey prices for those only exceed £2.00 for the three top bands - and that not by much (D: £2.08; E: £2.50; F: £2:75).  So someone from Port Erin going to a job in Douglas every day might save £1 -£1.50 a day, which is helpful, but not massive.  And there won't be enough people in that position to lose BV that much revenue.

It might cause me to switch from a monthly pass to a 12 journey one. It's only the additional non-work journeys in a month or breaking a journey home in Castletown that makes that worthwhile now over the 12 journey price. And even then the difference is marginal. Presumably the 12 journeys will be less than £2 per trip otherwise what incentive is there to use them over cash?

Bus Vannin have posted they're working through the "finer detail of how the cap might affect our regular customers with Go Cards" and promise a solution at the end of September! You'd be pretty pissed off if you'd bought an annual pass.

Wasn't there a guy who sued Bus Vannin when the Go Cards replaced the paper tickets?

[Wavey Davey]

1 hour ago, Manx17 said:

He mentions water meters in the future? I this guy reminds me of homer’s boss burns from the Simpsons.

The worlds most boring man is trying to explain water matters on the Mannin Line now. I’m going to psyche up by watching paint dry afterwards. 

[2112]

15 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said:

The logical move now is to begin installation of the 5 onshore wind turbines

Put loads on Snaefell, and Bradda Head and the Calf of Man. See how they moan, which will include eco loons worried about the landscape.

In realty what will happen is objections, public inquiries which will take years. 
 

I actually support your idea but it’s really a pipe dream. Could happen but won’t happen or will be that financially mismanaged like most projects. 

[2112]

1 minute ago, Wavey Davey said:

The worlds most boring man is trying to explain water matters on the Mannin Line now. I’m going to psyche up by watching paint dry afterwards. 

Chris Thomas? Sorry I’m off island and not listening.

Edited August 24, 2022 by 2112

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, asitis said:

People heating with gas are going to be struggling here, and as that includes a lot of corpy houses and most new builds, help, I would have thought, would have been better targeted towards heating. I suspect not many heat by electricity and LED lighting uses very little !

We actually have the figures for types of central heating (which is the main source of heating for 96% of households), from the latest Census:

As you can see only about 5% of household use electric, when half of all are on gas.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Roger Mexico

[Non-Believer]

19 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

We actually have the figures for types of central heating (which is the main source of heating for 96% of households), from the latest Census:

As you can see only about 5% of household use electric, when half of all are on gas.

You could see people buying electric heaters, say microwave or oil-filled types though and then using them to replace or cut their gas heating usage. But it's only kicking the can down the road until March next when the piper comes calling to be repaid.

In an ideal world we'd have had a wind or tidal generation programme well underway by now but that wouldn't suit the debts (and egos) associated with the Power Station unfortunately.

[jackwhite]

34 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Chris Thomas? Sorry I’m off island and not listening.

Head of Water for Manx Utilities, Gareth Patchett.

[SleepyJoe]

45 minutes ago, HeliX said:

The MUA loan and price fix is idiotic. It'll be cheaper than gas, people will be using their electric heaters all winter (making the debt that has to be repaid worse), we won't be able to sell our excess to the UK, we'll have the cheapest rate of electricity in the British Isles until 31st March 2023, at which point we'll likely have a higher price than the rest of the British Isles for the next 20 years to pay it back.

Utterly idiotic.

Tynwald should vote a fund to subsidise electricity prices for the next 3 years AND begin now on wind turbine installation

The abject failure to invest in renewables over the past decade is bringing chickens home to roost in their droves -  sensible politicians must act

That there is no capital fund in place to begin work on utilising our natural assets of wind, rain & tide for the national good is just appalling

[Non-Believer]

The current global situation (which to be fair, couldn't have been predicted) is bringing into sharp focus the failings which have saddled the taxpaying Manx public with millions upon millions of pounds worth of public debt; let alone the extra costs brought by the aforementioned situation.

[0bserver]

21 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said:

Tynwald should vote a fund to subsidise electricity prices for the next 3 years AND begin now on wind turbine installation

How could they agree to fund something 3 years in the future when the cost even 6 months ahead are at best extremely uncertain? 

We all know the installation of wind turbines and other green things will take decades. The NIMBYs alone will have a field day trying to stop them.

[HeliX]

11 minutes ago, 0bserver said:

How could they agree to fund something 3 years in the future when the cost even 6 months ahead are at best extremely uncertain? 

Doesn't take a crystal ball to realise that energy independence is a more secure position to be in than energy reliance...

[WTF]

9 minutes ago, 0bserver said:

 

We all know the installation of wind turbines and other green things will take decades. The NIMBYs alone will have a field day trying to stop them.

the NIMBYs are the ones they should cut supplies to first, never mind wind turbines with moving parts that need maintaining , cover snaefell in solar panels , contrary to popular belief they work ok with just daylight without the need for sahara type sun, but there is a sweet spot where some sun gives best results.

[0bserver]

2 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Doesn't take a crystal ball to realise that energy independence is a more secure position to be in than energy reliance...

Which is why Crogga is key.