Banker Posted September 1, 2022 Author Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 hour ago, SleepyJoe said: Yes something drastic along the lines of what I've said there Drop the 15 grand strategy, it's already out of date & I absolutely do not agree that population growth is the right strategy for now My reading of KPMG recommendations is that if IOM PLC invests in climate change response & green digital infrastructure improvement then the island may well become the better place that people want to move to, but that increased population is not an economic generator in itself [or not a significant one] Are you Daphne or one of her mates as all your strategies seem to resolve around climate change & green initiatives which will somehow save us? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Banker said: Are you Daphne or one of her mates as all your strategies seem to resolve around climate change & green initiatives which will somehow save us? No, I'm one of the people who believes - as KPMG appear to do - that economic growth is more likely to be achieved over the next two decades by investing as a nation in climate change response and green digital infrastructure Possibly IOMG have taken this on board but I'm not sure their policy of artificial population increase is compatible with the ambition a sustainable island that they purport to pursue Are you a proper banker, or a bit of a fraud? Edited September 1, 2022 by SleepyJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 30 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: No, I'm one of the people who believes - as KPMG appear to do - that economic growth is more likely to be achieved over the next two decades by investing as a nation in climate change response and green digital infrastructure That would be the KPMG led by people who drive to work in £100K electric cars? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Davey Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 9 hours ago, jackwhite said: Wasn't she accused of hiding behind anonymous profiles to hound Rachel Glover? She was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said: That would be the KPMG led by people who drive to work in £100K electric cars? They've got to spend the £2m on something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 EV cars won't be the only ones available that use new less damaging fuels Governments see EVs as the option to support with investment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: But they’re the only ones you can buy currently. That generates VAT spend Not sure that’s actually true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 9 hours ago, SleepyJoe said: I don't agree with the idea of a 15 year vainglorious strategy that nobody has asked for CM Cannan must put plans forward now for the massive challenges of the four years til' the next general election, & aimed at getting us out of the mess we are currently in - starting with lower cost renewable energy generation from wind turbines, putting forward policy for getting more income into the pockets of the hard-pressed GMP, & doing the utmost to ensure essential public services have the funding they need Why the obsession with wind turbines...? With climate change becoming reality surely an investment in regular as clockwork tidal power is the better way forward... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 7 hours ago, P.K. said: Why the obsession with wind turbines...? With climate change becoming reality surely an investment in regular as clockwork tidal power is the better way forward... Because wind power is an established energy source; and tidal is still in development and reasonably expensive. Onshore wind is cheaper to produce than gas, even offshore wind is cheaper: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-record-low-price-for-uk-offshore-wind-is-four-times-cheaper-than-gas/ With the larger arrays coming online this will get cheaper still. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 I'm enthusiastic for tidal, but wind generation is the cheapest way to get started & the turbines are now recyclable - an issue that was used previously to argue against their installation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Because wind power is an established energy source; and tidal is still in development and reasonably expensive. Onshore wind is cheaper to produce than gas, even offshore wind is cheaper: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-record-low-price-for-uk-offshore-wind-is-four-times-cheaper-than-gas/ With the larger arrays coming online this will get cheaper still. Sure but climate change in the shape of more extreme weather simply cannot be predicted. I suspect tidal power fell behind because, as we used to call IT systems with lots of flashing lights, the wind farms have instantly perceived value. The IOM backing tidal research could have been a big success story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: Sure but climate change in the shape of more extreme weather simply cannot be predicted. I suspect tidal power fell behind because, as we used to call IT systems with lots of flashing lights, the wind farms have instantly perceived value. The IOM backing tidal research could have been a big success story. Coulda Woulda Shudda Success story? Thats very debatable, everything that IOMG are involved in turns into shit. Renewables energy will be no different and it would be years before a single turbine is erected. If Snaefell and the windiest part of the island covered in turbines, Manx Utilities will still charge consumers over the odds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 They'll have to charge over the odds to pay back the £26m loan govt has given them rather than a grant There are 5 identified sites on island for wind turbines If more than that are required then they should go offshore - I think there are some that incorporate tidal turbines too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 hours ago, P.K. said: Sure but climate change in the shape of more extreme weather simply cannot be predicted. I suspect tidal power fell behind because, as we used to call IT systems with lots of flashing lights, the wind farms have instantly perceived value. The IOM backing tidal research could have been a big success story. The trouble is, looking through the extensive Wiki articles, that tidal never seems to get much beyond the research and experimental station stage. Even many of those that were set up (such as Strangford) have now been decommissioned. They're quite heavy maintenance and there's a lot of danger to sea life, which also reduces the efficiency. It's rather like fusion, it's been the next big thing for 50 years, but it never actually arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 I quite like the geothermal suggestion. Don't know if it's feasible, the government doesn't seem to think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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