Manx Radio

[CrazyDave]

1 minute ago, The Phantom said:

Come on; most of them would vote for whichever candidate made the best Tik Tok video. 

Which let’s face it, is a better and more relevant reason than where their dad used to work or if they are in the bowls club which seems to be what most oldies base their vote on.

[Andy Onchan]

19 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I’m not sure it is a myth though Roger. I’ve seen my peers who were socialist firebrands in the youth move increasingly to the right wards. Those, for example totally opposed to the idea of private health in their youth, now availing themselves of it in their older years. Of course that may be because as they get older they have more medical complaints and are more likely to be able to apathy for it. 

You could be cynical and say it’s easy to oppose something you are less likely to have need of ( if need is the right word) particularly if it’s also unlikely it’s something you would be able to afford.

Anyway it’s my perception  rightly or wrongly, that people do tend move their politics to the right as they get older. Obviously not all ( the likes of Tony Benn RIP, etc).

Anyway I was just ruminating on this the other day and it struck me that parallels could be made with the UK Labour Party. As that too has  aged there is no doubt that it has shifted to the right, over the years particularly with the rebrand of “ New Labour”. Maybe that has led individuals who were more on the left to unconsciously move more into the centre ground with that party. The centre becoming more the new left.

Just a thought.

In my experience (see what I did there!) is that whether extreme left or right in their early years, folk invariably move to the centre/middle ground as they age. 

[HiVibes]

27 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Come on; most of them would vote for whichever candidate made the best Tik Tok video. 

That sounds a better way forward doesn't it, if a candidate is sharp enough to do that and it be compelling, look at the hustings in Middle to see the standard we have now.

[HiVibes]

59 minutes ago, IOM said:

Ok thanks that is at least clear and whilst I don’t agree with all of these I accept that’s your opinion . The thing is outlining your argument in this way is far better than just saying old people are a burden it makes it sound like you don’t value the human life of elderly ! 

Its logical they have less value, they need help, someone capable is of more value to society its pretty clear even if you find that upsets your sensibilities. If there was a war tomorrow they ain't calling up the old are they and for good reason. 

[IOM]

2 minutes ago, HiVibes said:

Its logical they have less value, they need help, someone capable is of more value to society its pretty clear even if you find that upsets your sensibilities. If there was a war tomorrow they ain't calling up the old are they and for good reason. 

Sorry you have such a prejudiced view and it’s got nothing to do with my sensitivities  . You are making very big assumptions that all old people need help and that statement alone is not true . If you really stopped and thought you would realise I am trying to understand your perspective and not just dismissing it in the way you do with other people’s. Making sweeping statements like “ I know you lot get easily distracted”  or “ they have less value “  or “ send English people back “ will not in my opinion encourage people to want to try and understand you and eventually people will then say as CrazyDave said yesterday this person is not worth engaging with . 
For what it is worth some of the ideas you put forward earlier may well be worth considering but whilst you maintain a seeming “anger “towards older people I think you will find it hard to get cut through . Just a thought . 

[woolley]

35 minutes ago, HiVibes said:

Its logical they have less value, they need help, someone capable is of more value to society its pretty clear even if you find that upsets your sensibilities. If there was a war tomorrow they ain't calling up the old are they and for good reason. 

Maybe they call up the richest then, seeing as they have most to lose.

[woolley]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Anyway I was just ruminating on this the other day and it struck me that parallels could be made with the UK Labour Party. As that too has  aged there is no doubt that it has shifted to the right, over the years particularly with the rebrand of “ New Labour”. Maybe that has led individuals who were more on the left to unconsciously move more into the centre ground with that party. The centre becoming more the new left.

Just a thought.

Continuing the analogy then, the Corbyn years were presumably its reversion to childhood as it slipped into senility.

I think people become less socialist as they get older because they learn life's lessons with experience. It will happen to Hi Vibes eventually, and don't tell him, but he too will be an old chuff before he knows it.

[The Phantom]

1 hour ago, HiVibes said:

That sounds a better way forward doesn't it, if a candidate is sharp enough to do that and it be compelling, look at the hustings in Middle to see the standard we have now.

I went to the hustings for Middle, they weren't too bad actually.  I can almost imagine @Stu Peters doing a Tik Tok dance albeit to some 70s rock.  JPW wouldn't be seen dead doing it though.  Kieran would probably do it too, I actually quite liked him and he was probably one of the younger options in any parish.  The other was a doll fiddler whose carer let him run for office and I can't remember the other one or two. 

[Stu Peters]

When Vibro goes on an ‘old people’ rant he conveniently forgets that many of us have been paying taxes and NI for (in my case) 53 years, and have never taken much out in terms of benefits or healthcare. So we’re massively in credit. His presumed age group has probably taken more out than they’ve paid in. 

[CrazyDave]

1 minute ago, Stu Peters said:

and have never taken much out

Oh my god man.  What blue touch paper have you just lit 😂

[woolley]

2 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

When Vibro goes on an ‘old people’ rant he conveniently forgets that many of us have been paying taxes and NI for (in my case) 53 years, and have never taken much out in terms of benefits or healthcare. So we’re massively in credit. His presumed age group has probably taken more out than they’ve paid in. 

He also suffers from the delusion that old people do not continue to contribute, and he wants to "send the English back". He fails to see that some of the highest taxpayers fall into both of these categories and take little from the system. If he has his way he can say goodbye to most of the economy, and what are the chances of attracting new young talent if their ultimate fate is to be "sent back" when they are older? Total hare brain.

[Roger Mexico]

6 minutes ago, CrazyDave said:

Oh my god man.  What blue touch paper have you just lit 😂

And he did it on the Manx Radio topic!

[Andy Onchan]

1 minute ago, woolley said:

He also suffers from the delusion that old people do not continue to contribute, and he wants to "send the English back". He fails to see that some of the highest taxpayers fall into both of these categories and take little from the system. If he has his way he can say goodbye to most of the economy, and what are the chances of attracting new young talent if their ultimate fate is to be "sent back" when they are older? Total hare brain.

Ahh.... the Folly of Youth.

[HiVibes]

19 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

When Vibro goes on an ‘old people’ rant he conveniently forgets that many of us have been paying taxes and NI for (in my case) 53 years, and have never taken much out in terms of benefits or healthcare. So we’re massively in credit. His presumed age group has probably taken more out than they’ve paid in. 

Get that fag packet and and get squiggling, as if you contributed anything working 10 hours a week.

[Stu Peters]

8 minutes ago, HiVibes said:

Get that fag packet and and get squiggling, as if you contributed anything working 10 hours a week.

You don’t pay tax based on the hours you work, just the enormous amount you earn for those few hours.