NoTailT Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, 2112 said: David Ashford put a post on Facebook snd reported on the NPM saying he absolutely devastated by the loss of The Queen. A bit over the top, when a simple message of condolence was suffice. Virtually all MHKs have posted a tribute. Probably written by his girlfriend. She's practically breaking down at the loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 what part of not servicing your constituents is respectful to the loss of the Queen? Any excuse. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Wavey Davey said: This must be what Rob is legging it back for https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/king-charles-iii-to-be-proclaimed-lord-of-mann-on-sunday/ We clearly can’t have a new Lord of Mann proclaimed without some moon faced gormless idiot being present. It's not actually clear from that or the Tynwald press release it was based on, whether the various high and mighties actually need to be at Gov House for the Proclamation or whether they're going to swear allegiance at the Tynwald Hill bash the next Friday. So Rob's dash may have been all in vain. He would presumably have been back for the Tuesday 13th Tynwald anyway (and they may do the swearing bit then). I expect a more detailed programme, based on 1952, will follow, though whether it will include mucking up the original again remains to be seen. (And no one said thank you for the research). Edited September 9, 2022 by Roger Mexico Duplicate words 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Holte End said: March was the first lockdown. Covid was first detected in Europe on the 1st Feb 2020. So he must book it in January 2020. We came home on the 19th March and had to quarantine at home for two weeks. We’d had no restrictions in Seville or Lisbon until the last few days. We almost extended out stay in Lisbon for a couple of weeks until it all blew over. I could well imagine him booking a holiday in January or February Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: What if the nonce was her firstborn? nonce or quayle? I'll have to ponder that one some more................. Actually, if andrew was next in line, it'd have been time for a defenestration. I like a good defensetration,me. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, Gladys said: The main point you are missing is that we do need a head of state, whatever we call it. As a Crown Dependency, that is the Crown by whatever name we choose. What you are really arguing for is full independence and to be a sovereign state in our own right. That will need a head of state so the next question is who, and how that position is appointed. Quite frankly, the more I see of our ability to govern ourselves, even within our current confines, I am not confident we could fill that position in our own best interests. There may be a great deal complain about the current constitutional arrangement, but IMO it is the best option and has served us reasonably well for a long time. My comments about books of condolence, business closures etc. are about the reaction not the event, the constitutional arrangement or the woman who has filled the position for 70 years in an exemplary and admirable way. I am not a particularly ardent royalist, but the arrangement has worked well and the person who has filled it for many years has earned unrivalled international respect. Charles has a very hard act to follow. In this case I'm not arguing for full independence, you're putting words in my mouth. Why do we need a head of state if we're not a state, that has no logic to it at all. I get that the Queen was the head of state for the UK on whom we are dependent, that's entirely a matter for the people of the UK. The Lord of Man title is totally pointless, old fashioned and has no relevance in the modern world. I also appreciate that you think our elected representatives are not capable of representing us. In many cases I agree, but this is not a uniquely Manx thing. The people of many countries feel disconnected from their elected leaders and unsure of their abilities, remember Donald Trump, Boris Johnson to give just two recent examples. To cite this as a reason to forgo democracy in favour of an hereditary monarch is not only centuries out of date, but a completely illogical, nonsensical and potentially a very dangerous idea. We're extremely lucky that for the last 70 years our head of state has been a graceful, apolitical figure. What's to say the next one won't be a war mongering lunatic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, Manx17 said: God bless her majesty’ . She’d be putting that MBE back in her handbag, if she would of known the truth. I bet Davy is devastated, he be able to write a story about their very close relationship now and how he got his award. It was rather nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, NoTailT said: what part of not servicing your constituents is respectful to the loss of the Queen? Any excuse. Lazy fecker. That’s astounding. As a mark of respect I won’t be doing any hoovering or housework tomorrow. 67k a year ffs 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 56 minutes ago, 2112 said: David Ashford put a post on Facebook snd reported on the NPM saying he absolutely devastated by the loss of The Queen. A bit over the top, when a simple message of condolence was suffice. Virtually all MHKs have posted a tribute. They're all taking competitive grieving to a whole new level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, 0bserver said: They're all taking competitive grieving to a whole new level. They’ll be beating themselves with barbed whips soon!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 My particular favourite was that half-wit Allinson, a trained medical doctor, describing the death of a 96 year old woman in failing health as "an awful shock". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: In this case I'm not arguing for full independence, you're putting words in my mouth. Why do we need a head of state if we're not a state, that has no logic to it at all. I get that the Queen was the head of state for the UK on whom we are dependent, that's entirely a matter for the people of the UK. The Lord of Man title is totally pointless, old fashioned and has no relevance in the modern world. I also appreciate that you think our elected representatives are not capable of representing us. In many cases I agree, but this is not a uniquely Manx thing. The people of many countries feel disconnected from their elected leaders and unsure of their abilities, remember Donald Trump, Boris Johnson to give just two recent examples. To cite this as a reason to forgo democracy in favour of an hereditary monarch is not only centuries out of date, but a completely illogical, nonsensical and potentially a very dangerous idea. We're extremely lucky that for the last 70 years our head of state has been a graceful, apolitical figure. What's to say the next one won't be a war mongering lunatic? OK, use a different term than 'head of state'. What do you see replacing the Lord of Mann? Just about every country, barring Somalia, I think, is a recognised state with a head. Ours is the Queen (now King) but we happen to call her Lord of Mann. We are not a state in our own right but part of one which leads to the same end - the Crown, although that is a bit of a funny thing not really just the monarch. If you want to cut that then you can only be talking about independence. I don't understand your argument, unless you are talking about the whole United Kingdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: My particular favourite was that half-wit Allinson, a trained medical doctor, describing the death of a 96 year old woman in failing health as "an awful shock". It is when it happens actually. Although you anticipate it, you never know the moment or how. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, 0bserver said: They're all taking competitive grieving to a whole new level. Don't give them ideas. There's certainly questions to be asked about the character of a man who took £1.2m in a cash filled briefcase from the Bin Laden family. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: OK, use a different term than 'head of state'. What do you see replacing the Lord of Mann? Just about every country, barring Somalia, I think, is a recognised state with a head. Ours is the Queen (now King) but we happen to call her Lord of Mann. We are not a state in our own right but part of one which leads to the same end - the Crown, although that is a bit of a funny thing not really just the monarch. If you want to cut that then you can only be talking about independence. I don't understand your argument, unless you are talking about the whole United Kingdom. Why replace her with anyone, we're not a country, not a state - to have a head of state is unnecessary and pointless. We're "dependant" on the UK, they have a head of state, we don't need one. Independence is a different argument completely, if we were independent we would need a head of state, we're not so we don't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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