SleepyJoe Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: OK, use a different term than 'head of state'. What do you see replacing the Lord of Mann? Just about every country, barring Somalia, I think, is a recognised state with a head. Ours is the Queen (now King) but we happen to call her Lord of Mann. We are not a state in our own right but part of one which leads to the same end - the Crown, although that is a bit of a funny thing not really just the monarch. If you want to cut that then you can only be talking about independence. I don't understand your argument, unless you are talking about the whole United Kingdom. Might be a role for a retiring first deemster - T. William Cain would have done the job admirably - but the only possibility is probably joining with a newly independent Scotland and the ROI to form some sort of gaelic federation where a president might be elected as a head of state for all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: It is when it happens actually. Although you anticipate it, you never know the moment or how. Yes with a close friend or family member I agree, with someone you've barely met, under the circumstances it's one of the least shocking things I could think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: Might be a role for a retiring first deemster - T. William Cain would have done the job admirably - but the only possibility is probably joining with a newly independent Scotland and the ROI to form some sort of gaelic federation where a president might be elected as a head of state for all But how will that work even if T W Cain, who is likely elsewhere? He would have had to deal with the Lord of Mann, anyway. We are a Crown Dependency, that's it. To change that is to change our entire constitutional position. That is my point really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: newly independent Scotland Sturgeon does not want Scotland to be independent - she wants it to be part of the United States of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I'm not going there. Suffice to say, he's not had it easy (cue posts about how he has three houses) emotionally. I'm still pissed off with Camlilla ( and him and his mum) but Camilla has probably done more to support and love him than anyone else has been able to do. I'm holding out hope for a new, improved Charles to take over as King. I hope he surprises us. He'll always be eccentric, but he's funny and kind and cares about the world and it's people. It's not a bad start, TBH I think you need to look at all the 'inconvenient' royal relationships. They are all strewn with not matching what was expected and complete disasters not long thereafter. Princess Margaret, Charles and Camilla (way before Diana), even Edward and Mrs Simpson. It was still a time of strategic marriages rather than marriages of love. I think we can all remember how Di was viewed as being suitable breeding stock without a 'history'. Then, when they realised it was no longer sustainable we ended up with a newly released group of royals marrying from choice (Fergie and Andrew) without having had that bit of socialisation perfected. It has been a very dysfunctional set up for centuries from that point of view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Or they basically had his wife killed so he could spend 17 years with the current Queen Consort. You sound angry and pissed. A little more water with it, fella. Edited September 9, 2022 by Augustus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I'm not going there. Suffice to say, he's not had it easy (cue posts about how he has three houses) emotionally. I'm still pissed off with Camlilla ( and him and his mum) but Camilla has probably done more to support and love him than anyone else has been able to do. I'm holding out hope for a new, improved Charles to take over as King. I hope he surprises us. He'll always be eccentric, but he's funny and kind and cares about the world and it's people. It's not a bad start, So he should be up to the job after the longest apprenticeship ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: My particular favourite was that half-wit Allinson, a trained medical doctor, describing the death of a 96 year old woman in failing health as "an awful shock". 25%. That’s the approximate chance of dying in the next year if you happen to be 96. So when you look at it that way it’s not a shock really. But we don’t look at it like an actuary does - I might, but I’m not normal. Most people are more likely to feel that for the 20000 days or so that they’ve been alive, Queen Elizabeth was The Queen. And suddenly she’s not. Hence it’s a shock. Alex is not a half-wit. I know him quite well and he’s at least a three-quarters wit 😉 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Roxanne said: Absolutely. I understand how it happened and that there had been many more instances just like it. I'm not really pissed off with Camila. I am not pissed off with any of them, on that score really. Like I said, up until recently they were all strategic alliances and that quickly unravelled. Some found true love, most didn't which perhaps led to an acceptance of affairs as 'normal' and the kind of distorted morality we have been critical of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Am I missing something? ANOTHER MHK: I'm not doing my job or talking politics for the next 10 days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: Sturgeon does not want Scotland to be independent - she wants it to be part of the United States of Europe. Hey Nigel, long time no chat! How are you these days? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, wrighty said: Alex is not a half-wit. I know him quite well and he’s at least a three-quarters wit 😉 Although having stated his terrible shock at the death of a 96 year old woman, he then felt the need to reassure the people that their currency and stamps would still be valid. If he's not a half-wit he's a condescending bugger, that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Am I missing something? ANOTHER MHK: I'm not doing my job or talking politics for the next 10 days. Clare Christian also doing the same 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Roxanne said: Or he could just be extremely shy and affected brought on by his upbringing. What he does next is imperative to how the public will see him from after the funeral. His mum's just died and everyone is supporting him. If you're right, well, I could imagine a scenario where that might not go too well for him. His mum just died and everyone is looking at him. it so screwed up It is insane. Let the man grieve fgs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: Am I missing something? ANOTHER MHK: I'm not doing my job or talking politics for the next 10 days. Probably still more than happy to scaremonger about COVID though should the opportunity arise 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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