Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: It’s entitled to expect to be paid for the work you do? Imagine hiring a builder and telling them you’ll only pay them for some of the time they’re there. You’d get told to jog on in no uncertain terms. I am out. I simply can’t comprehend a world where people even keep track of what hours they have worked in relation to what they should be paid!You just do your job and if you want a better one you apply for it. I am still waiting for someone to explain why the scrounges are impacting our kids education when the department have very clearly explained the way forward. I bet they won’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Asthehills said: I am out. I simply can’t comprehend a world where people even keep track of what hours they have worked in relation to what they should be paid!You just do your job and if you want a better one you apply for it. I am still waiting for someone to explain why the scrounges are impacting our kids education when the department have very clearly explained the way forward. I bet they won’t I think you’ve just stumbled across the concept of a timesheet. Congratulations. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Asthehills said: I am out. I simply can’t comprehend a world where people even keep track of what hours they have worked in relation to what they should be paid!You just do your job and if you want a better one you apply for it. Even my first boss, when I was a fresh faced graduate, would tell me there’s seldom anything worth staying beyond closing time for, and to go home and relax as work life balance is more important. Very rarely, that might have eked out an hour or two more for important deliverables. Maybe you’ve just had miserable bosses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: I think you’ve just stumbled across the concept of a timesheet. Congratulations. I had one of those when I was 19. Haven’t seen one since . Do you want to let me stumble across the reason for escalated action now when considering the DESC statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Asthehills said: I had one of those when I was 19. Haven’t seen one since . Do you want to let me stumble across the reason for escalated action now when considering the DESC statement? Were they on wax tablets back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, AcousticallyChallenged said: Even my first boss, when I was a fresh faced graduate, would tell me there’s seldom anything worth staying beyond closing time for, and to go home and relax as work life balance is more important. Very rarely, that might have eked out an hour or two more for important deliverables. Maybe you’ve just had miserable bosses. Genuine 3 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: I think you’ve just stumbled across the concept of a timesheet. Congratulations. Honestly I would rather do unpaid hours than have to fill in a time sheet. Isn’t that what new starters out of school who can’t be trusted do? Do you actually account for your time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Asthehills said: Do you want to let me stumble across the reason for escalated action now when considering the DESC statement? Again. Go on, have a crack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Asthehills said: Genuine Honestly I would rather do unpaid hours than have to fill in a time sheet. Isn’t that what new starters out of school who can’t be trusted do? Do you actually account for your time? Accounting for your time has benefits. Doctors appointment in the morning? Take a shorter lunch. Something desperately needs doing? You can have an early dart on Friday because you’ve got a couple hours on your side. In corporate speak, it’d be flexitime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Asthehills said: Again. Go on, have a crack Because, the pay rises on offer are still miserly in the scheme of things. Just because UK teachers are also underpaid, doesn’t justify it. Hardly takes a rocket scientist on six figures to explain that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, AcousticallyChallenged said: Accounting for your time has benefits. Doctors appointment in the morning? Take a shorter lunch. Something desperately needs doing? You can have an early dart on Friday because you’ve got a couple hours on your side. In corporate speak, it’d be flexitime. If your employer makes you fill In a time sheet and doesn’t trust you then that is awful. They are either an awful employer or you are an untrusted employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Asthehills said: If your employer makes you fill In a time sheet and doesn’t trust you then that is awful. They are either an awful employer or you are an untrusted employee. With your clear corporate knowledge, you’d know that systems for time tracking are vital for tracking billable hours in a broad range of professions. Plus, time tracking as you describe would be entirely ineffective for untrusted employees, unless you’re picturing the modern day equivalent of punching in and out. But, I’m certain you’d know that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, Asthehills said: I am out. I simply can’t comprehend a world where people even keep track of what hours they have worked in relation to what they should be paid!You just do your job and if you want a better one you apply for it. I am still waiting for someone to explain why the scrounges are impacting our kids education when the department have very clearly explained the way forward. I bet they won’t "If you want a better one you apply for it" Can I have your six figure job please? Take this as my application. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: With your clear corporate knowledge, you’d know that systems for time tracking are vital for tracking billable hours in a broad range of professions. Plus, time tracking as you describe would be entirely ineffective for untrusted employees, unless you’re picturing the modern day equivalent of punching in and out. But, I’m certain you’d know that too. You kind of have a point .It depends where you work. I did a bit of time in a legal firm and every minute had to be accounted for as it was potentially billable. Other jobs it had been down to trust, so fair enough you have a point. You still haven’t explained the benefit of the current action when the DESC have issued a statement though, and neither has anyone else Edited September 21, 2022 by Asthehills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, DrunkenMonkey said: "If you want a better one you apply for it" Can I have your six figure job please? Take this as my application. Depends how much effort and extra hours beyond your job description you are prepared to put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Asthehills said: Depends how much effort and extra hours beyond your job description you are prepared to put in. No no, you only said I had to apply. Give me a better job please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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