Please Sir can I have more!!

[Asthehills]

9 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

So now we’re talking on hypotheticals and speculation and name calling, as people pointed out that your claims were demonstrably false?

You are fun on a Monday night. I love how varied it can be. 

Name calling?  Nice one 😂

[Meoir Shee]

1 hour ago, Meoir Shee said:

OK, £36 per hour to look after and teach c20 kids, call it £2 per pupil per hour.  Is that too much?  Too little?  About right?  What can you actually get for £2, half a lager?

Too much diversion towards underemployed plumbers, back on track.  I repeat my earlier question, is £36 per hour direct labour cost to teach c20 kids acceptable value in our society.  Call it £2 per pupil per hour.  Asthehills has had his say, he thinks not having asked for comparisons with Blackpool and underpaid ICU Nurses, fair enough.  Banker never seems to reply beyond laughing emojis😃.  I’m genuinely interested in people’s thoughts.

[manxman1980]

1 minute ago, Meoir Shee said:

Too much diversion towards underemployed plumbers, back on track.  I repeat my earlier question, is £36 per hour direct labour cost to teach c20 kids acceptable value in our society.  Call it £2 per pupil per hour.  Asthehills has had his say, he thinks not having asked for comparisons with Blackpool and underpaid ICU Nurses, fair enough.  Banker never seems to reply beyond laughing emojis😃.  I’m genuinely interested in people’s thoughts.

What would the cost of childcare be per hour for one child?

[Banker]

4 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said:

Too much diversion towards underemployed plumbers, back on track.  I repeat my earlier question, is £36 per hour direct labour cost to teach c20 kids acceptable value in our society.  Call it £2 per pupil per hour.  Asthehills has had his say, he thinks not having asked for comparisons with Blackpool and underpaid ICU Nurses, fair enough.  Banker never seems to reply beyond laughing emojis😃.  I’m genuinely interested in people’s thoughts.

Yes it’s more than acceptable given they only work 195 out of 365 days

[Meoir Shee]

2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Yes it’s more than acceptable given they only work 195 out of 365 days

So, just to take that a little further, you’d like us, as a society, to spend less than £2 per hour direct labour costs on kids education?  Could you suggest what you regard an acceptable figure?  Maybe a percentage reduction?

[Asthehills]

1 minute ago, Meoir Shee said:

So, just to take that a little further, you’d like us, as a society, to spend less than £2 per hour direct labour costs on kids education?  Could you suggest what you regard an acceptable figure?  Maybe a percentage reduction?

You have already had a comparison to ICU and other places in Britain which you just dismissed?

I would say £1 tops, which is I keeping with most of the rest of Britain when you take into account class sizes and teachers pay.

[Meoir Shee]

1 minute ago, Asthehills said:

You have already had a comparison to ICU and other places in Britain which you just dismissed?

I would say £1 tops, which is I keeping with most of the rest of Britain when you take into account class sizes and teachers pay.

Please, we have been through this, the nursing labour market is broken.

For clarification, you would halve the direct labour costs per child in education on the IoM from c£2 per hour to “£1 tops”?

[forestboy]

1 minute ago, Meoir Shee said:

Please, we have been through this, the nursing labour market is broken.

For clarification, you would halve the direct labour costs per child in education on the IoM from c£2 per hour to “£1 tops”?

Fed up with the spat between you two. 

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

28 minutes ago, Banker said:

Yes it’s more than acceptable given they only work 195 out of 365 days

How many days do the Teachers in the Golden Land of Jersey work ?

[Steady Eddie]

4 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

How many days do the Teachers in the Golden Land of Jersey work ?

I bet they do a lot more sunbathing. 

[Asthehills]

8 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

How many days do the Teachers in the Golden Land of Jersey work ?

About the same as here I would think?

Whats your point?

[Steady Eddie]

Just now, Asthehills said:

About the same as here I would think?

Whats your point?

I think you’ll find that comment was directed at another poster .. or was it? 

[Asthehills]

5 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

I think you’ll find that comment was directed at another poster .. or was it? 

Can people only respond to direct quotes now?

That will make for a busy forum 😂

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

16 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

I bet they do a lot more sunbathing. 

Banker would wear out even more curtains and keyboards if he saw Teachers sunbathing - his Daily Mail infused Gammon head would fume to possible explosion point 

[Newbie]

10 hours ago, Asthehills said:

Is it a race to the bottom, or is it government paying people what is sustainable without having to bang everyone’s taxes up?

 

This is starting to get close to one of the key issues. The public want a Scandinavian level of public services but aren't prepared to pay Scandinavian taxes. Annual spending on education (excluding higher education) per pupil in Sweden, for example, is over £9,000 whereas it is around £6,600/pupil/year in the UK on secondary schools, and around £6,500/pupil/year in the Isle of Man.

When the system starts to break down, the general reaction is "It's the greedy, lazy teachers. They would never survive in the private sector" or "It's the stupid, lazy administrators. They would never survive in the private sector". The truth is that the whole service wouldn't survive in the private sector. They would tell you to piss off as the numbers don't add up. The cost of educating a child privately (day school rather than boarding school) currently averages £15,000 a year in the UK.

In fairness, it isn't all about funding I am sure. Scandinavians take pride in their public services, and whilst they may not be exactly happy to pay high taxes, they are prepared to do so because they know it is in the best interests of society. At the same time, they support those services (because they value them). The discussions on here comparing the cost of education to that of child care shows how we value the service. It's a childcare facility that allows us to go to work.

So as a society, we make our choices, both in terms of what we are prepared to fund, and how we interact with public services. It does seem very short sighted, however, to neglect the education of our children.